chuckebaby


ive used alot of different programs but my favorite still is session drummer,here is why:
its stripped down so your adding all your own effects,not processed efeects that come with the drum simulator.(like bfd)
and have you ever tried to seperate every drum track out to a seperate track in bfd?
sure it can be done,but someone tell me how easy it is compared to session drummer?
the cost:hello ???
the onlt thing its lacking is a massive sound library.like bfd or addictive.
but then again,im not looking for a huge library,i want a dry drum sound so i can be the one to add the effects to my liking so it doesnt sound like the next guys drum sounds.
its those little things that make your music more original.
sample loop librarys: ??  dont even go there,if your a true musician your writing your own drum parts anyway so who needs them?
i just assume have a drum kit with no loops at all.

Chuck I can't believe you're still banging on about this. I went to great lengths to explain the simple process of routing in BFD eco & BFD 2 and they are exactly the same as session drummer or any other drum vst. You choose where to send it on the mixer page at the bottom of each mixer channel. Just like all the others. In fact BFD Eco gives you something that none of the other do that makes it absolute child's play. When you load up BFD Eco and select "all synth outputs to stereo" in sonar you will find that it has even named each track accordingly.
What the hell do mean by, adding all your effects, not "PROCESSED" effects that come with drum simulators? That's just nonsense.
The effects that come with both Eco and BFD2 are award winning effects drim DECAM and are better than most of the ones that ship with sonar.
Admittedly there are better 3rd party effects out there now but back in 2007 when BFD2 was released they were some of the best.
It's not like you're being forced to use the effects that come with your drum simulator either.

Steve

Superior Drummer - it has the perfect balance of flexibility and sound quality, it offers impeccable performance, and imho, the most elegant and refined GUI of them all. Plus libraries are available in all genres.

And one thing that's totally killer for me is the ability to bounce/render individual instruments from w/in Superior Drummer at a click of a button - no need to even worry about routing tracks.

OTOH, if I trust the demos, the most stunning library I've heard was Joe Baressi's Evil Drums for BFD. 

I do have BFD Eco - which I don't bother to use due to its restricted features - and Kontakt w/ Studio Drummer (never use this one either) and Abbey Road, which sounds great. I've considered upgrading BFD to full, but in all honesty, I love SD too much and the GUI's just was easier to navigate and cleaner for my taste. Maybe someday, between two projects...

As a songwriting tool, EZ Drummer does it for me. Plus it's easy to just replace it w/ Superior later in the session.

To the OP I'm confused, you're asking what everyone here is using but say you have used the all the others, does that mean you bought them or just tried the demo's ?
All the others you have used (or own) are pretty much all the ones that people here use.
Toontracks, fxpansion and XLN Audio being probably the most common.

The others I see are no more than libraries that have to be used in kontakt which is a major minus in my opinion. 
I'd love to hear why you think BFD Eco is "terrible" ?
Personally I think fxpansion have led the market in drum software for some time.
Superior is good but I would place it in between Eco & BFD2 in my top three.


I'd say my music is quite eclectic but has strong routes in early UK punk and indie but I also do ska and electronica. 

The big question when moving on from the likes of session drummer to something like superior or BFD2 is do you want generic presets and midi loops or do you want complete control ? I never use drum loops and I never will because I want to be calling ALL the shots

Steve

I'm with you, Steve.  I've never used loops, nor had any interest in them.  I'm interested in the sounds themselves.  My own preference is for Superior Drummer 2 over BFD2, but that's due largely to past experience with Superior.  That being said, there's a bit of a learning curve with some of these products.  With any of them, I suggest that the demo alone is not going to give you the whole story.  It's going to take an investment of time to really dig into any of these tools and bend them to your will.  I'm sure the task may be somewhat more daunting for non-drummers, but there's a lot of help available for the asking.

I'm pretty sure OP is interested in having access to extensive loop libraries. He was asking if the SD3 Slate kit had a lot of loops. I could be mistaken though.

twaddle

chuckebaby


ive used alot of different programs but my favorite still is session drummer,here is why:
its stripped down so your adding all your own effects,not processed efeects that come with the drum simulator.(like bfd)
and have you ever tried to seperate every drum track out to a seperate track in bfd?
sure it can be done,but someone tell me how easy it is compared to session drummer?
the cost:hello ???
the onlt thing its lacking is a massive sound library.like bfd or addictive.
but then again,im not looking for a huge library,i want a dry drum sound so i can be the one to add the effects to my liking so it doesnt sound like the next guys drum sounds.
its those little things that make your music more original.
sample loop librarys: ??  dont even go there,if your a true musician your writing your own drum parts anyway so who needs them?
i just assume have a drum kit with no loops at all.

Chuck I can't believe you're still banging on about this. I went to great lengths to explain the simple process of routing in BFD eco & BFD 2 and they are exactly the same as session drummer or any other drum vst. You choose where to send it on the mixer page at the bottom of each mixer channel. Just like all the others. In fact BFD Eco gives you something that none of the other do that makes it absolute child's play. When you load up BFD Eco and select "all synth outputs to stereo" in sonar you will find that it has even named each track accordingly.
What the hell do mean by, adding all your effects, not "PROCESSED" effects that come with drum simulators? That's just nonsense.
The effects that come with both Eco and BFD2 are award winning effects drim DECAM and are better than most of the ones that ship with sonar.
Admittedly there are better 3rd party effects out there now but back in 2007 when BFD2 was released they were some of the best.
It's not like you're being forced to use the effects that come with your drum simulator either.

Steve

i am soooo sorry as i can see i have greatly upset you and the folks at bfd,my apologies to you and everyone over there. 

to add "what the hell" in one of your post directed towards me shows your pretty much a loose cannon and a little off the deep end.
which inturn now leads me to believe all the good things i said about you before are now a farce and youve lost all credibility in my eyes.
not that im anything special but obviously you are.
next time i want to post my opinion in your forum i will be sure to ask your permission first.
 
all you had to do was post a simple reply saying what you felt about bfd compared to session drummer.
but instead you just cracked up here..wow..im a bit surprised. 

Hey.. I'd cast another vote for BFD2.  I have never tried eco, so can't speak to that, however BFD2 has some extremely articulate acoustic drum sounds - I can't imagine you being unable to get quality sounds out of it.  I've never been overly impressed with Session Drummer - it's good given it's included in Sonar, however I don't believe it compares to the other products mentioned in this thread in both sound quality & functionality. 

When selecting which product to purchase, I listened to most major third party products (EZDrummer, Superior Drummer, etc) and BFD2 just grabbed me with the quality of their sounds.  If you're mainly concerned with sound quality - take 2 minutes and listen to sound samples on FXPansion's BFD2 page - I think you'll be blown away.   I think the price just came down recently too - I paid alot more for it a few years back.

Hope this helps.
Russ
 

Learning BFD is like learning bridge - you can take it as far as YOU want.

I love the fact the all the kit pieces are not only of pristine quality, but none have had any effects added to them - they are totally raw,

I use a variety of things for drums depending on what I am making. I generally make hip hop and r&b and Addictive Drums works really well for that and pop a lot of the time. Or I will use the Kong device in Reason especially for synthetic drum sounds which are great for certain kinds of hip hop and pop. And I have been using Live's drum rack system for one shot drums lately as well. I also use the Reason Drum Kits, Disco School and Soul School reason refills. 

I currently use Session Drummer 3 and BFD Eco. Really that's all I need because I am not a drummer.. and he's too drunk to actually play the drums anyway! Peace