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  • Drummer software,what do you use? (p.5)
2012/08/02 17:12:25
Frostysnake
Anyone familiar wit Drums On Demand? I have read good things...
2012/08/02 17:35:08
BretB
Steven Slate collection and MIDI driven by me via Yamaha DTXpress IV kit.
2012/08/02 18:02:20
twaddle

i am soooo sorry as i can see i have greatly upset you and the folks at bfd,my apologies to you and everyone over there.   

to add "what the hell" in one of your post directed towards me shows your pretty much a loose cannon and a little off the deep end. 
which inturn now leads me to believe all the good things i said about you before are now a farce and youve lost all credibility in my eyes.
not that im anything special but obviously you are. 
next time i want to post my opinion in your forum i will be sure to ask your permission first. 
  
all you had to do was post a simple reply saying what you felt about bfd compared to session drummer. 
but instead you just cracked up here..wow..im a bit surprised.  

Wow!! all this simply because I said, "what the hell" Well I'm inclined to add to that, "what the f#ck!!??" 
I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill but there you go. Had I not said "what the hell" would that have been OK then?

As for BFD's routing and your comments I can only refer you to This thread where I tried to explain how easy it was and how it was the same
as any other drum VSTi (even session drummer)

Your comments "not processed efeects that come with the drum simulator.(like bfd)"  don't make any sense to me at all.
That's what I'm saying what the hell to. What do you mean by processed effects??? That just doesn't mean anything.



 
next time I want to post my opinion in your forum i will be sure to ask your permission first.


I don't think this is my forum and neither do I think I have ever given that impression. What I wonder have I said to make you say that? 
I mostly join in topics surrounding drums but occasionally help out in areas I feel confident to do so. Consequently my post count is low.


I'd have said I was more mystified than upset by your comments as they were (in my opinion) untrue and even nonsensical. 
 
As for upsetting the people at fxpansion I can't comment as, "contrary to what you seem to think" I don't happen work for them.
I do hope to be beta testing for BFD3 later this year which may be what has made you think I work for them I and am most certainly
a fan of their product line (not just drums) ?


Steve






2012/08/02 18:14:25
twaddle
Beepster


I'm pretty sure OP is interested in having access to extensive loop libraries. He was asking if the SD3 Slate kit had a lot of loops. I could be mistaken though.

No you're quite right he did mention midi loops and that was partly what I was confused about as I wasn't sure if his dissatisfaction was with the quality of sample/sound or the loops provided.


Steve
2012/08/02 18:23:42
twaddle
UbiquitousBubba


I'm with you, Steve.  I've never used loops, nor had any interest in them.  I'm interested in the sounds themselves.  My own preference is for Superior Drummer 2 over BFD2, but that's due largely to past experience with Superior.  That being said, there's a bit of a learning curve with some of these products.  With any of them, I suggest that the demo alone is not going to give you the whole story.  It's going to take an investment of time to really dig into any of these tools and bend them to your will.  I'm sure the task may be somewhat more daunting for non-drummers, but there's a lot of help available for the asking.

Yeah I was quite overwhelmed when I got BFD2 having dabbled with EZ drummer and addictive drums this was a steep learning curve.
Both superior and BFD2 put you firmly in the hot seat of drum engineering but I'm really glad I stuck with it.


I did recently download the demo version of BFD2 just to see what limitations there were and there are none except for the kits themselves.
You only get one and it's 16bit with less velocity layers but everything else is the same as the full version so I'd say you should be able to get a 
very good sense as to what it's all about.

Steve
2012/08/02 18:51:09
musicroom
I want to try some different ones too. I have ezdrummer outside of the sonar offerings and sometimes impressed, sometimes not.

I'm currently using a MacGyver type track template that uses 2 instances of sonars SI. I know, who would have thought? Not a lot of sound sculpturing capabilities, but the blend / mix I use between the 2 kits sounds impressive and real to my ears.

I have my eye more on Superior Drums when a good price comes out.
2012/08/02 18:55:20
twaddle
musicroom


I want to try some different ones too. I have ezdrummer outside of the sonar offerings and sometimes impressed, sometimes not.

I'm currently using a MacGyver type track template that uses 2 instances of sonars SI. I know, who would have thought? Not a lot of sound sculpturing capabilities, but the blend / mix I use between the 2 kits sounds impressive and real to my ears.

I have my eye more on Superior Drums when a good price comes out.

Not sure what you'd call a good price but BFD eco is currently on sale at $49 plus you get platinum samples rock legends kit thrown in for free.  Here's your link 

At that price is pretty much a no brainer.

Steve
2012/08/02 20:51:36
congalocke
 hey Steve, Yeah I forget what I payed for the Silver (Expandable) but I just felt good that the ears, mic cabinet and process of those guys would be rewarding. But hopefully no matter what any of us are using we can be creative enough to capture some good musical ideas!;-)
2012/08/02 21:29:35
bapu
If this is a bragfest I own

Superior and all SDXs
EZDrummer and EZXs
BFD2 (& Eco too)
OWD & Platinum Samples Neal Peart
Komplete 8 Ultimate - Which includes all Abbey Road Drums and Battery
Addictive and all the AD Paks
Slate 4.0 Platinum
Bluenoise Plugins Metal 1
Jamstix 3
Voxengo AccuDrums
Jet City (by Jim Roseberry)
Drumagog (with Invictus Metal Expansion Packs 1 - 5)
Slate Trigger

They all have their place.
2012/08/02 23:40:00
mudgel
Rain


Superior Drummer - it has the perfect balance of flexibility and sound quality, it offers impeccable performance, and imho, the most elegant and refined GUI of them all. Plus libraries are available in all genres.

And one thing that's totally killer for me is the ability to bounce/render individual instruments from w/in Superior Drummer at a click of a button - no need to even worry about routing tracks.

OTOH, if I trust the demos, the most stunning library I've heard was Joe Baressi's Evil Drums for BFD. 

I do have BFD Eco - which I don't bother to use due to its restricted features - and Kontakt w/ Studio Drummer (never use this one either) and Abbey Road, which sounds great. I've considered upgrading BFD to full, but in all honesty, I love SD too much and the GUI's just was easier to navigate and cleaner for my taste. Maybe someday, between two projects...

As a songwriting tool, EZ Drummer does it for me. Plus it's easy to just replace it w/ Superior later in the session.

Not sure if you know but Joe Baressi's Evil Drums is available as an SDX for Superior Drummer. Awesome. They promised more kits but haven't seen them released yet.
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