Thanks for the info.  I am stubbornly committed to working through and creating a song using each synth in Sonar starting with the simplest and working up to Z3ta.  It's good to know that the more advanced synths have the option I'm looking for.
 
 
 
SToons


For what it's worth I just tried out Rapture. Not only can you step sequence each individual note of a sequence but you can place each and every note in any pan position you like, not just left, right or center. Insanely fast and easy. Not to mention you can load any wav file as an oscillator so you can even use the wavetables from other synths or create your own. In theory you could output audio from one synth, load it into Rapture and step-sequence the panning from there.

Kev999

Using Dimension Pro, you could load the same sampleset into all 4 elements, pan each element differently and set it to multi-timbral mode. Then set midi channel 1, 2, 3 or 4 for each note depending on which pan setting you want for that note.  This method allows 2 or more notes to play simultaneously from different directions rather than the entire instrument changing direction at once. 

By the way, you can also do this in Rapture, which has the additional benefit of 6 elements rather than 4.  I am not certain whether Rapture LE has multi-timbral mode though.

Wouldn't this be similar to using two MIDI tracks panned hard L/R? Why would you need DimPro and all the set-up on the MIDI channels? In other words, setting up two separate MIDI channels would be no more hassle than that, I think.
 
BTW, VST3 would probably be the easiest way.. just missing in action on the CW camp.... (sigh)

I think you're still controlling the overall synths output right?

Or

If you played a chord the root would be on the left, third in the middle and fifth on the right? (if you had those notes set up that way)

So the same thing could be done with automation...

Gusfmm

Kev999

Using Dimension Pro, you could load the same sampleset into all 4 elements, pan each element differently and set it to multi-timbral mode. Then set midi channel 1, 2, 3 or 4 for each note depending on which pan setting you want for that note.  This method allows 2 or more notes to play simultaneously from different directions rather than the entire instrument changing direction at once. 

By the way, you can also do this in Rapture, which has the additional benefit of 6 elements rather than 4.  I am not certain whether Rapture LE has multi-timbral mode though.

Wouldn't this be similar to using two MIDI tracks panned hard L/R? Why would you need DimPro and all the set-up on the MIDI channels? In other words, setting up two separate MIDI channels would be no more hassle than that, I think.
 
BTW, VST3 would probably be the easiest way.. just missing in action on the CW camp.... (sigh)

VST3 would in no way make it easier than how I described the method in Rapture...either way you have to adjust the panning for each note, no more no less.

Here's a little Rapture nugget (from memory):
 
- Navigate to a Pan LFO.
- Click to Random Unipolar or Random Bipolar in the waveform display.
- Set the Freq to 0.00 (*not* Sync).
- Dial up a high Depth value, to start.
- Every subsequent Note On generates another random pan position.
 
Remember that every modulator in Rapture ADDS to it's current base value (except Bipolar entries, by nature).  So, if your Element Pan knob at the bottom of the GUI is centered, all of the LFO pan values will be ADDED (to the right) of center.  The same goes for internal envelopes & step sequencers in relation to the base cutoff frequency settings, resonance knobs, amplitude, pitch, and panning.
 

b rock


Here's a little Rapture nugget (from memory):
 
- Navigate to a Pan LFO.
- Click to Random Unipolar or Random Bipolar in the waveform display.
- Set the Freq to 0.00 (*not* Sync).
- Dial up a high Depth value, to start.
- Every subsequent Note On generates another random pan position.
 
Remember that every modulator in Rapture ADDS to it's current base value (except Bipolar entries, by nature).  So, if your Element Pan knob at the bottom of the GUI is centered, all of the LFO pan values will be ADDED (to the right) of center.  The same goes for internal envelopes & step sequencers in relation to the base cutoff frequency settings, resonance knobs, amplitude, pitch, and panning.
 

I'll look to see, but I'm not sure you can access the pan LFO's in the LE edition.
 
EDIT: No, as I suspected, this is not possible with the LE edition.
 
Thanks for the explanation - I found that the panning entered in the Mod Matrix wasn't working correctly unless I set the Element 1 Pan fully left. -Now- it makes sense. When I have time I'll have to RTM. This is common practice with freq, cutoff, resonance etc. but this one of the few times I remember seeing a "0" value be hard left or right (perhaps I don't pay enough attention). Makes sense for this application though.
 
For what it's worth, if you right-click in the Pan section of the Modulators you can take anything you've entered and reverse it, flip it upside down, randomize it or import shapes from wave files amongst other things. Want a reverse saw shape? Import a reverse saw wave. These options are available for the amplitude, filter cutoffs, resonance and pitch and can all be quantized so they will work on a note-by-note basis if desired. Extremely flexable synth.

I've just had a go of this, because I was sure there was a simple way of implementing panning per note in Sonar, simply, as has been mentioned here, by sending a CC10 message prior to the note being sent.

It didn't seem to work like I expected. And then I remembered that when I used to do this kind of thing, I was driving my JP8000 and Nova, well before the days that I caught on to soft synths. That definitely used to work a treat for panning individual notes, without effecting the tails. Perhaps I should keep hold of my hard synths...

I also had a pay with a panning envelope, just to see... and yeah, it pans the whole track, including the tails... but you knew that already lol.
I think the way I would do this now would be to create as many instances I needed to create my stereo panning effect. 

When I get time, I might also try some of the methods explained above. And I should check whether or not Absynth caters for panning... perhaps with one, or all three of its LFOs.

Blimey, I've been away from this too darned long, that's a fact... I've forgotten so much stuff, and I'm struggling to get my head back round all the MIDI stuff I used to do.

There's probably a way to do this with the event filter, or interpolate with the cc10.
I forget if Pan is even an option. Anyway, the event filter is pretty powerful for that kind of mundane stuff usually.
And, probably use the event list and not the PV.
I'm going to assume that your part is quantized 100%. This would make isolating the notes you are working on a lot easier for data a entry. 

It's a lot of set up or editing either way. I assume the OP wants to just play the notes and have it pan automatically per note. I don't see Mod Matrix doing this or LFO's. The Event list would an edit situation. I don't know of any setting that would pan per incoming event.
I don't know what peice he wants to play, but even two keyboards panned hard lft. and rt. is going to take some skill.

Crg


It's a lot of set up or editing either way. I assume the OP wants to just play the notes and have it pan automatically per note. I don't see Mod Matrix doing this or LFO's. The Event list would an edit situation. I don't know of any setting that would pan per incoming event.
I don't know what peice he wants to play, but even two keyboards panned hard lft. and rt. is going to take some skill.

 
No, not a lot of setup or editing if you use the right tool for the job. Given that the OP is determined to use the PSYNII the only option would be to use multiple synths and split the notes but that's not really that big of a task, just program everuthing in one track and the select the notes you want to move, then cut and paste. Assuming you don't expect to have notes panning in say 32 different stereo positions.
 
If you're prepared to use a more suitable synth I have already tried, tested and posted - yes, this can be done, and quite easily, in the Mod Matrix. Here's how simple:
 
Open Rapture.
 
1. In Rapture, click the Load Program button and choose Sequences>Blade End Titles
2. In the Mod Matrix ("Modulators") click the Pan button.
3. On the left side under Step, set the following:
  - Status: On
  - Steps=16
  - Sync=4
4. At the bottom, in the Mixer, set Element 1 Pan all the way to the left.
 
Now in the Pan view of the Modulators section there will be 16 grey bars, one for each note of the sequence. You can click or click and drag any bar to different heights (values). If the bar is at the top it is panned hard right and if the bar is at the bottom (no grey showing) it is panned hard left - setting the bar anywhere else is panned somewhere in between. Click on the Pitch button in the Matrix and you can just as easily alter the notes in a sequence. It's so simple it's not funny. Try it and prove me wrong ;-p
 
Now, in any track create a single note (try a low note) that lasts one or more measures, route the track thru Rapture and Play.
 
Step #3 above is easy to explain: just look how the parameters of the Pitch sequence is set up in "The Matrix" and make the Pan sequence match.
 
Want a longer sequence? Change the steps. Want a different rhythm base? Change the sync. Not only is it simple but it's extremely flexible.

I don't know of any setting that would pan per incoming event. 

 
It depends on the synth being used. b rock explained how it could be programmed easily, using external MIDI notes from the track and not using a step sequencer with Rapture so now you -do- know of a setting that would change the Pan for each incoming event. I could name at least a half dozen more methods.