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2012/08/02 19:09:43
Beepster
Just checked out the vid Freddie posted. Can someone explain this a little further? Am I to assume I can take a stereo track and isolate elements and tweak and/or remove them? Because that would be freaking crazy and super useful and really make X2 about a million times more desirable to me. Cheers.
2012/08/02 19:17:16
John
That appears to be what it does.  BTW looking at the CW version vs the Roland version some one commented that it may not have all the buttons added stuff. I believe because its a plugin in X2 it doesn't need those extra buttons because they appear to be transport and track controls. The plugin wouldn't need those.
2012/08/02 19:21:11
Beepster
@John... My gawd... I have literally HUNDREDS of hours of live recordings and rehearsals that would be perfect if it weren't for a couple of wayward tracks and audience/room noise. I could release like twenty albums if this thing actually worked. Oh dude dude dude... NOW I am psyched. Please tell me this is reality.
2012/08/02 19:25:56
twaddle
Beepster


Just checked out the vid Freddie posted. Can someone explain this a little further? Am I to assume I can take a stereo track and isolate elements and tweak and/or remove them? Because that would be freaking crazy and super useful and really make X2 about a million times more desirable to me. Cheers.

Careful with your "what the hecks" I've already been castigated for a "what the hell" 

Yes it seems to be pretty much like melodyne. It is an amazing technology but having watched the video.
I don't see that it's of much use to me personally. I don't need to isolate instruments since I record them myself.

Having said that if your guitar is slightly out or you want to change notes within a chord that can be useful. Melodyne can do that but I'm not sure if 
R-Mix can (?) I usually find it's much quicker to do it myself rather than spend hours pulling my hair out and coming on here to try and figure out what I'm doing wrong.

Call me an old cynic but outside of karaoke I don't see it as being particularly creative. 
Don't believe the hype.


Steve

2012/08/02 19:26:27
mattplaysguitar
Depending on how engrained they are in a mix, it looks like it. A vocal with multiple panned harmonies and loads of delays and/or reverb might be more difficult to extract though.

I'm sure you could use to to re-master stuff to a degree or maybe use it for extracting samples from songs.

As to the sound quality... You could see some comb filtering and phasing artefacts potentially. I wouldn't trust the cake videos on sound quality. It's going to take un-biased testing to check that one out.


To me, it looks like a cool tool for a bit of fun, but I wouldn't ever imagine using it when making my own music.

But for maybe analysing in further detail the construction of pro songs, it could be good. As well as taking samples for people who do that sort of music.

But I don't imagine it to be much special. The high and low stuff is just going to be a simple band pass filter. The stereo component is going to be probably a M/S type process with something like Channel Tools and phase cancellation blah blah. I'm sure the maths isn't too complex. With the right routing you can probably just do it with channel tools and an eq. I may of course be wrong here, I'm only speculating.
2012/08/02 19:28:35
mattplaysguitar
Beepster


@John... My gawd... I have literally HUNDREDS of hours of live recordings and rehearsals that would be perfect if it weren't for a couple of wayward tracks and audience/room noise. I could release like twenty albums if this thing actually worked. Oh dude dude dude... NOW I am psyched. Please tell me this is reality.

That's a good point though. It might make your life easier for re-mastering this kind of stuff.
2012/08/02 19:34:00
The Maillard Reaction
Will the R-Mix in X2 work on 24bit audio files?









That would be kinda cool.

That will change everything.

fixed

2012/08/02 19:34:56
Beepster
@Matt... and that exactly it. I don't need to do anything crazy. Just take all the board mixes and snag the the individual parts and isolate them so I can mix them myself. For example I have a TON of board recordings where everything is perfect but the vocals are way too loud. If I can get those out of the mix and then blend them in properly... oh goodness... the things I could do. I always thought this was in the realm of mastering software that cost thousands of dollars. I could provide a ton of other examples but you get the gist. Snag the elements, separate them, then remix and if necessary record something new and blend it in. If I could do this... man alive I will love Cake forever. FOREVER!
2012/08/02 19:39:15
Michael Five
I mentioned this somewhere a couple of days ago and folks said it was generally not well received, and just a glorified karaoke machine. 

you can turn a sausage grinder backwards, but pigs will not come out the top.  I fear this is more bloat rather than a professionally useful tool.  Is X2 gonna support the MCU?
2012/08/02 19:44:08
mattplaysguitar
For your vocal issue:

Clone track
Apply HPF and LPF to isolate the vocal as much as possible
Add Channel Tools
Switch to M/S and turn off the Side component so you just have Mid
Flip Phase
Blend in with original to turn the vocal down

I've never actually tried this, but it should work!
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