I did a listening test myself. And I can hear the hi hats being erratic. I can also hear the snare cutting off abruptly. But on the sample you posted chukie I didn't hear anything on that trk.

I used the SS Old Zep Dry Kit and listen to some of the midi files loaded with that Program. 

chuckebaby


stoons,heres a test i did myself using the same kit (steven slate old zep dry)
i used a basic midi loop in the track and exported it as is.
my hi hats dont seem to have the same issue,i did no tweaking to this.

http://soundcloud.com/charlie-roy/session-drummer-test

im not doing this to be a problem,as you can see i gave a rather decent comment #2.
im just trying to understand why the hi hats are dropping out and maybe learn something myself and help both of us.

I don't find the hats completely drop out, one issue is that they respond a little too quiet in many standard MIDI files and while you could crank the fader a bit it doesn't nearly solve all the problems. The main issue has to do with the volumes of the original flac (compressed wav) files versus the editing and how they subsequently respond to velocity changes.

Grem


I did a listening test myself. And I can hear the hi hats being erratic. I can also hear the snare cutting off abruptly. But on the sample you posted chukie I didn't hear anything on that trk.

I used the SS Old Zep Dry Kit and listen to some of the midi files loaded with that Program. 

There are very specific problems that can fe found and Chuck's choice of MIDI files doesn't "shine" on these problems as it's a very straight forward riff with few velocity changes and simple snare and hat patterns. This is absolutely not intended as a cut down either, Chuck.
 
One of the noticeable problems is snare "cutoff". As the polyphony for the snare is set to 1, a snare hit immediately followed by another of a lower velocity will show the problem. If a snare hit with a velocity of 125 translates to -6dB and a snare hit of 37 translates to -50dB or so then you will not hear the second snare and the first will cut off abruptly. A drum kit with a velocity range of over 60dB is not particularly useful either, in my opinion.
 
Program a few hits with a velocity of 125 followed by a few at 17 and see what you hear.
 
Again, when I explain how it is programmed and how I edited it, it will be pretty clear what the issues are.

SToons

Grem


I did a listening test myself. And I can hear the hi hats being erratic. I can also hear the snare cutting off abruptly. But on the sample you posted chukie I didn't hear anything on that trk.

I used the SS Old Zep Dry Kit and listen to some of the midi files loaded with that Program. 

There are very specific problems that can fe found and Chuck's choice of MIDI files doesn't "shine" on these problems as it's a very straight forward riff with few velocity changes and simple snare and hat patterns. This is absolutely not intended as a cut down either, Chuck.
 
One of the noticeable problems is snare "cutoff". As the polyphony for the snare is set to 1, a snare hit immediately followed by another of a lower velocity will show the problem. If a snare hit with a velocity of 125 translates to -6dB and a snare hit of 37 translates to -50dB or so then you will not hear the second snare and the first will cut off abruptly. A drum kit with a velocity range of over 60dB is not particularly useful either, in my opinion.
 
Program a few hits with a velocity of 125 followed by a few at 17 and see what you hear.
 
Again, when I explain how it is programmed and how I edited it, it will be pretty clear what the issues are.

 
your probably right,i may not have picked the best sample to use,it is very straight forward,i picked the first one i could find.
tommorow ill go through and have a listen to some others.

Sorry, but I never could understand why so many VI drum sets have faint, dead and phony sounding cymbals.
I'm not knocking SD per se, just a general observation.
Cymbals are a critical part of any percussion set but so often fall way short of sounding believable.
 
Steve
 

soens


Sorry, but I never could understand why so many VI drum sets have faint, dead and phony sounding cymbals.
I'm not knocking SD per se, just a general observation.
Cymbals are a critical part of any percussion set but so often fall way short of sounding believable.
 
Steve
 

I agree but you have to bear in mind that cymbals have the longest decay time and those can make the files much bigger than a snare or kick hit. 


Digital vaults Gen 16 packs are probably the best I've heard buy some distance which is why it weighs in at a colossal 18GB which is bigger than any kit that I know of. You can here the Z-pack Here.  If you go to the  Kit Pieces Tab  you can hear each cymbal individually. 
Just click on each kit piece and it gives you a preview of 4 velocity layers (obviously there are many more)   
I wish other companies would use this auditioning feature on their sites, it gives you a much clearer idea of what your getting.


By the way, the gen-16 30% off sale at fxpansion ends today. They are well worth it I think I think. Having said that I've not bought them due to having to pay a speeding fine 

Steve

Digital vaults Gen 16 packs are probably the best I've heard buy some distance which is why it weighs in at a colossal 18GB which is bigger than any kit that I know of

 
I've had these for a few weeks now, and so far I'd agree.  These are very nice cymbal samples, and at the current sale price even better!  The only technical disadvantage is that they're tied into a 32bit version of BFD Eco - that's the only version that provides the "all cymbals" mode for BFD. At the same time, Bit Bridge seems to be OK with it.  So far.
 

stevec

Digital vaults Gen 16 packs are probably the best I've heard buy some distance which is why it weighs in at a colossal 18GB which is bigger than any kit that I know of

 
I've had these for a few weeks now, and so far I'd agree.  These are very nice cymbal samples, and at the current sale price even better!  The only technical disadvantage is that they're tied into a 32bit version of BFD Eco - that's the only version that provides the "all cymbals" mode for BFD. At the same time, Bit Bridge seems to be OK with it.  So far.
 

Unless of course you own BFD2 in which case you can load a 32 piece kit and have oodles of cymbals in whatever slot you wish 
I think you can have 6 cymbals and a hi-hat in Eco which isn't too bad.

Steve

Unless of course you own BFD2 in which case you can load a 32 piece kit and have oodles of cymbals in whatever slot you wish

 
Ahh... I had no idea!  That's a lot of kit pieces.    Which makes the current $49 Eco sale look even better, as a long-term upgrade path to the full BFD.   Thanks.
 

stevec

Unless of course you own BFD2 in which case you can load a 32 piece kit and have oodles of cymbals in whatever slot you wish

 
Ahh... I had no idea!  That's a lot of kit pieces.    Which makes the current $49 Eco sale look even better, as a long-term upgrade path to the full BFD.   Thanks.
 

It was always worth it at full price I'd say. Just checked my bank account and seem to have more than I thought, perhaps I might treat my self
but which one ?


Steve