Hi Folks...
 
I believe many of you are familiar with the cakewak bundle file for Kori Yarckin's 'Floating'. When I eventually open up the file in Sonar X1 and play it, I noticed that visually the meters of the 'master' bus are clipping, as in, it's in the red region most of the time, though I can't hear any audio distortion. My question is, why is it like that? All these while I thought that the meter readings should never reach into the 'red' region. Hope someone can explain. Thanks.
 
regards
glisando

got a link to the file?

clipping is at 0db digital. The red area starts at -6db on my meters, and I'd rather expect a finished piece of work to keep a level up in that range, maybe a touch on the low side of it if it was still headed for mastering.  Might that be what you're seeing?

glisando


Hi Folks...
 
I believe many of you are familiar with the cakewak bundle file for Kori Yarckin's 'Floating'. When I eventually open up the file in Sonar X1 and play it, I noticed that visually the meters of the 'master' bus are clipping, as in, it's in the red region most of the time, though I can't hear any audio distortion. My question is, why is it like that? All these while I thought that the meter readings should never reach into the 'red' region. Hope someone can explain. Thanks.
 
regards
glisando

It's because there are more headroom internal peaking. You using either x32bit floating or you can use x64bit floating audio engine in SONAR. Analog ADDA are often in 24 bit resolution and it's a different story. There are highend x32bit ADDA's available but they are rare in use. Analog world, 24 bit over ZERO give you a harsh peak.
 
Internal 32bit floating doesnt peak harsh over ZERO. The peak in x32bit floating and x64bit is over...more then... +100 db over Zero.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating_point
 
Still you should not peak over zero during mixing! You should check out gain stage

See this post:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2156507

I thought the PX64 Shaper bug had been fixed, but maybe not.

There is a difference between being in the red and clipping. 

True, but when I first ran the project it was indeed clipping at 0dB, and clipping hard. In fact, the Snare Top track was clipping all by itself with the PX64 problem, and it was quite audible.

I could never quite work out why that song was included as an example of a good mix... but that's just me I suppose :O)

Are you looking at the file that came on the disks/original download or the updated one that can be downloaded from your store account?

Hi..

I didn't realize the download was in our store account..  I just was wondering what he was talking about, but he never told me where I might find the file, so now I am not all too worried about it.

Thank you though