well exactly

stevec

Apologies if I wasn't clear. I don't think he's too stupid to understand, I think he's trolling.

 
lfm has been around for a few years, so I don't think it's really trolling, per se.  However, it seems he may be stuck on a perspective based on speculation on what could have been, had things been done in an entirely different way.  But I don't think VST3 would have been added even without PC, just based on previous posts from the Bakers to that effect. 
 
Personally, I'm just enjoying what we have in front of us.  
 

It's the future of Sonar that I'm looking forward too as well - that is my concern.
And my posts was a reaction to many posts wanting to expand Expanded concept in absurdum.
- What for?
was my general reaction, seing VSTs as the main pluginsource.

Why waste resources on a native pluginformat - which will make Cake control what you can plugin there.
It would take resources from other things like workflow improvements of different sorts.
I resent the way Cake is going with Producer and native addons - so I'm staying with SE.
I see where this is going - and I don't want to support it with my money.
Things usually done through the excellent VST interface are now built into the gui in a way that narrow peoples options in the long run. On top of this Cake is building their native plugin format.

So when everybody is asking for more stuff for Expanded instead of buying VSTs on the free market, they can remove the VST interface alltogether. That is what I see for the future - being the strategy behind the scenes.

Just my view - nothing more than that really.

You can't agree with everyone - and some can't even read, or simply want to twist the essence of what I'm saying.
Nothing I can do about that.

Do you honestly & realistically believe that VST support will be removed from future Cakewalk products?

Sorry, but this idea is absurd and reeks of paranoia.

If I'm wrong you can call me out when it happens.

Bristol_Jonesey


Do you honestly & realistically believe that VST support will be removed from future Cakewalk products?

Sorry, but this idea is absurd and reeks of paranoia.

If I'm wrong you can call me out when it happens.

Check this out and you might see what is upcoming next:
http://www.kvraudio.com/f../viewtopic.php?t=345003

I say - don't go there with these new native formats that just about every vendor is creating.
It has one sole purpose - tying you up as a customer, narrow your options to what they decide.

Can nations go broke?
We didn't think that not long ago.

Am I paranoid - you decide!

If VST support is removed, I'll be at the front of the queue complaining. Let's get a grip on reality here though. Unless the VST format goes the same way as the DX format that isn't going to happen is it.

I am more than happy for support & improvements to continue on VSTs, staff view, matrix and all the other parts of the program I barely ever use. I just wish those who, for reasons I cannot comprehend, have a real downer on the PC would stop trying to stop development on it.

It is IMHO an excellent addition to the program that is really starting to come into its own now.

FastBikerBoy


If VST support is removed, I'll be at the front of the queue complaining. Let's get a grip on reality here though. Unless the VST format goes the same way as the DX format that isn't going to happen is it.

I am more than happy for support & improvements to continue on VSTs, staff view, matrix and all the other parts of the program I barely ever use. I just wish those who, for reasons I cannot comprehend, have a real downer on the PC would stop trying to stop development on it.

It is IMHO an excellent addition to the program that is really starting to come into its own now.

I'm all for what makes Cake make money so they stay in business and give us new versions of everything.

For those that ever played chess, and was in the situation looking a number moves ahead - crap, I'm mate in just a few moves  - knows what I'm talking about.

It's a bit late to complain when it's too late.

The KVR thread shows with 6 pages of posts since yesterday, that I'm not alone in my prediction.

I just wish those who, for reasons I cannot comprehend, have a real downer on the PC would stop trying to stop development on it.

 
Exactly.  I don't see how Cake could stop development of the base program...how could they...what would make you upgrade to X2 if they did?
 
They surely aren't going to abandon PC....it appears to be greatly successful for them.  So much so, that they are churning out some REALLY good plug ins that work for PC; plugs that are starting to hold there own with the major plug companies.  Check out the sound tests on the new LA2 plug that Middleman has done.  PC does nt take anything away from any one, if you don't like it, close it and just use the FX Box for vst's.  Of course that has been beat like a dead horse.
 
I am wondering if they will continue to develop vst plugs in the future, or just work on the development of the core program.  There are certainly things they could do to improve the core program.  What it comes down to though is sales.  They have to determine what is going to make you want to buy the next X2.  Are plug ins going to get you to buy, or improved base program?  They have to consider that they have several audiences, old faithful users that might not need much more than what they already have, and new users.  They are a company that is in business to make money, expand there market share, and still put out a product that is the most attractive to the most users.  They more units they sell, the more developers they can hire, the more possibilities that they will actually get the specific thing you might want added, worked on.
 
 

MakeShift

 
They more units they sell, the more developers they can hire, the more possibilities that they will actually get the specific thing you might want added, worked on.
 
 

That's a really scary thought - then Cake got you exactly where they want you.

- Tapping your fingers and waiting for possibly having Cake develop what you need.

With Vsts there is a whole world out there sensing the needs of people.

You want one vendor only - then go for PC and everything in it.

lfm

MakeShift


They more units they sell, the more developers they can hire, the more possibilities that they will actually get the specific thing you might want added, worked on.

That's a really scary thought - then Cake got you exactly where they want you.

- Tapping your fingers and waiting for possibly having Cake develop what you need.

With Vsts there is a whole world out there sensing the needs of people.

You want one vendor only - then go for PC and everything in it.

That's the whole thrust of my argument really. I like the PC, I'm using and buying into it, you don't - you prefer VSTs - that's fine. There is a whole world of VSTs out there that you can buy and use, go for it.

If I end up with a PC that suddenly becomes useless how on earth does that affect you as you haven't bought into it? Leave me to carry on into my fool's paradise and you can carry on using VSTs. I can't see where there's a problem.

A lot of Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt lay around here.

The program still handles DX for crying out loud. When was the last time anyone developed anything DX?

Formats change all the time. ASCII was out of circulation by the end of the 1990's...if one wants to there are all kinds of OS's that went as well...we just went from 32bit to 64bit and we are still seeing some development of 32bit plugins...

As for PC only...mmmmm...I have yet to see anyone develop IK's AT3.7 for PC...

So one can relax .... the end of the world ain't happening ....