I've pretty much decided to go expanded with this latest $50 deal (through March 31st).  I regretted not doing the $10 expanded deal a month or two ago because I could really use the concrete limiter and now I'll have to pay more to get it.

BUT I'm still very annoyed with the lack of control over colors.  It just caused me a slight problem with a project by my latest client:  He wanted me to do a number of takes within some tracks and comp them using track layers.  However, for my first mix, I did not see that some takes were not muted--because the yellow/green on the mute indicator for layers is not clearly visible against the Sonar grey!  I need higher contrast for my eyes!

If I don't get full color control, I ain't buying X2.

Also, this has to be a bug:  in previous versions, I could always draw a fade-in on the beginning of a clip, then slip-edit the clip, sliding the fade-in over.  Can't do that in X1 at the beginning of clips!  It works at the end of clips though.  Please fix, bakers!

lfm

FastBikerBoy

Yes, I got you wrong.

It would still make me prepare plan B, when VST support is taken away.
Eventually that would happend.

I'm willing to take a pretty big bet that VST support doesn't disappear in the next 10 years. As someone has pointed out DX is still supported and that died a death nearly 10 years ago IIRC.

There will be new OS'es demanding changes to plugins etc.

That's progress, else I'd still be on an Amiga and others on Win 3.1

Today there are no worries....I'm preparing for the next couple of years doing full time music production.
It's beyond that horizon my worries are....will investments today soon to be a waste....

Why would investing money in today's developments be a waste? If I never ever bought another computer or piece of software or hardware ever again, I still have what I've paid for to use and make music with. I could carry on making music for the next hundred years with the equipment I have now, breakdowns permitting of course, but they can be fixed. I've still got several friends that pay huge amounts of money for hi-fi units made 20 or 30 years ago.

It ain't suddenly gonna get turned off like a tap.

I got S4 2005, and VSTs was still a separate adapter you installed. Internally Sonar was DX technology, and is still. Now they more or less hidden it behind the scenes though.

So don't forget history of Sonar. They reluctantly folded and introduced this adapter for VSTs. It was $50 extra.

DX was already gone in 2002, you say?

I don't agree. My view it was still growing in the number of hosts that supported it 2005. Everybody thought Microsoft would win every battle. Maybe since x64 computers were arriving DX died.

Now Microsoft are really worried, since smartphones and Pads use other OS and number of computers sold are dropping rapidly in favour of these new technologies. Less Windows licenses to charge.

Of this we had no idea 10 years ago - not MS either.

Times are changing much more rapidly now than ever before.

I think Cake would be happy to throw out this VST adapter if they could.

If it is like you say - 10 safe years with VST support in Sonar - the no probs at all.

I just try to be an eye-opener to those that think PC and Expanded is a blessing and a new plugins interface is just fine.

It comes with a warning tag!

If you build your abilities to handle everything in PC and Expanded - it would be a shock for those that depend on this solely.
Every tool you have and know is proprietary to Cakewalk and there is nothing you can do but do what Cake says - or throw it all away and buy it over again in some other format.

- Jump or reinvest and learn it all from start in another format.

Take it or leave it - just my view.

I got into Sonar at V2 and I bought the wrapper you are referring to, I was guessing about when DX FX stopped being developed TBH but when it happened is irrelevant. My point is the DX support is still there, still useable so fearing that the VST support is going to collapse overnight because of the PC modules is a bit extreme.

I bought Windows 95 when it came out knowing it would be superseded. I'll take my chances with the PC. It suits my workflow, I love the sound and I think improves my untalented racket, that's good enough for me.

I must be a fairly quick learner I managed to learn how to use most of the PC after all of a few seconds.

That works fine for me here. What happens when you try to do it?

John T


That works fine for me here. What happens when you try to do it?

Not sure whom you were addressing, John.  Was that me about the slip-editing?

From Brandon's mouth over at the KVR Thread related to the PC2A Leveler:

We didn't sit around trying to figure out how to screw our users if they dared to leave the platform. We sat round trying to figure out how to offer them better functionality that would improve their workflow when mixing music. Fill up a ProChannel with modules and see how cool it is. We're musicians, not corporate raiders.  



Beyond that, I can't see us ever removing VST support. Hell we even keep DX support in SONAR and there is very little if any development on that format. We just don't want to render anyone's plugins obsolete - but at the same time we want to move forward.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=345145

thank god it's not a cross platform app 8-/

Saxon1066

John T


That works fine for me here. What happens when you try to do it?

Not sure whom you were addressing, John.  Was that me about the slip-editing?

Yes. Sorry, thread's going too fast.

Get X1 right first then move on to X2. I don't see why this is even up for debate. Why should we buy upgrades for buggy software. If X2 comes out and its not working up to snuff I will probably jump ship.

After the disaster of the X1 release I'd find it hard to believe that cake is looking to release X2 anytime soon and I don't think users would make the jump. I certainly won't. Make the Sonar X-series core near unbreakable with patches and keep us entertained with PC modules while the bakers work on many new major features and revisions for X2. That's what I'd like to see at this point. However, the PC modules will have to be top notch otherwise they will kill off the PC allure, if there is one yet, slowly.

It's amazing how people get whipped up around here. Cakewalk have made absolutely no mention of releasing an x2.