Muziekschuur at home


Don't forget that an X-1 expanded now is over 800 dollar I think. So the total price of the new product will rise?

I hope PE stays where it is. I have nothing against Expanded. And like the modules they offer. Would love a LA2A plugin myself. But I can get by with what I currently have. Just hate the troubles lately with X1D.

I don't mind that Pro Channel modules and possible other future add-ons are optional. But I do think that you should be able to buy those add-ons for the produkt kalled Producer Edition without having to upgrade to a very slightly improved version called Expanded. Basik workflow stuff like "replace synth" should be in Producer, no ekskuse IMO...

I do think it's an odd decision to put the "barrier" of Expanded in the way of sales of ProChannel modules, yeah. I expect that will change at some point. I'd also imagine the ProChannel will migrate through the product range eventually. Producer-only features have generally made their way into the lower-priced editions within a couple of version numbers.

John T


I do think it's an odd decision to put the "barrier" of Expanded in the way of sales of ProChannel modules, yeah. I expect that will change at some point. I'd also imagine the ProChannel will migrate through the product range eventually. Producer-only features have generally made their way into the lower-priced editions within a couple of version numbers.

It will likely change as "Expanded" rolls into the next new full update.  The same way that, once the market had been exploited, Dimension Pro and Rapture got rolled into the SONAR product.

I expect so yes. The way I see expanded is that it's a mid cycle product that replaces some of the lost revenue of annual upgrades. I think it's quite a good idea, basically offering a cheaper x.5 release in between full revisions. 

The upside for the users being that the patch releases continue for non expanded users too. 

syntheticpop


OK, here's my answer to my own question... I think they should stick with X1 and keep building upon it until more users and non users make it their favorite go to DAW. What is Pro Tools, Studio One 2, Cubase, FL Studio and even Reaper? X1 should be on everyone's radar. The updates really help and so does adding an upgrade option like Expanded and the modules to go along with it. I think it's safe to say that X1 will always be Essential, Studio, Producer and Expanded. And I no longer mind that it's a step up from Producer like I did in the past. The name just sticks like chewing gum and has a nice sound to it, "Sonar X1 Expanded". What I also think they ought to do is add more features to Expanded to get more users onto Expanded along with the great promotions they run. Initially, I didn't think much about Expanded and didn't buy into it because of the few features it offered. But it had synth replace and FX Chains that I wanted to eventually check out. I do want them to add more cool features since it does cost half of what the Producer upgrade is going for and the modules also cost $49 or more a piece. So getting onto Expanded does cost a lot more and especially adding those modules. I didn't have to buy it but eventually I bought into it. So that will probably happen when X2 comes around but I hope it doesn't come around by end of the year. Usually people look forward to new and improved products and technology, but this is one case where I rather prefer they stick with what they have and just improve upon it some more. And it being software, makes it possible and accessible to users. And with Expanded, it actually has helped prolong X1's life cycle. So therefor if they keep Expanding and Expanding... and keep on pushing it, X1 will be around much longer and more updates will follow that address the remaining bugs while improving upon X1 overall. This didn't happen to any previous version of Sonar, that is why 6, 7, 8 and even 8.5 will always have their bugs that will never be fixed along with features that felt were never finished like V-vocal, Beatscape, Matrix View, Staff view, etc. So X1 is really the best of the bunch and is still the current flagship product but more can be ironed out or added to make it everyone's favorite go to DAW.

There is one tiny thing you forget - Cake need to make money too.

Hopefully Expanded stuff helped them do that while X1 had free updates for 15 month now.

I don't know who is benifitting from this Expanded.
- Users paint themselves into a corner getting less and less freedom to choose what they really need. Instead are forced to buy packages that someone else decided for them - and everybody is just half happy.

There is an excellent standard - VST effects and VST instruments!!!!
Steinberg should be awarded some big price for that - something better than Nobel price.
It's a really awesome achievement.

Why should we need another standard like Expanded and then extensions to this for ever and ever to plugin new stuff in Expanded?
AND IT WORKS ONLY IN SONAR

I don't get it - you're loosing freedom by the minute.
I can see why Cake is doing it though.

I see the daw as almost the toolbox - just to carry the tools in.
And the tools I buy elsewhere or from Cake to fill that box - but each tool for my specific needs.

Why keep buying a different toolbox with a certain set of tools in it - year after year just slightly different.
And with inset boxes that does not fit any other toolbox.

Not this again. How is there "less choice"?

bapu


I want more hours in the day.

And to pass Beagle in post count.

OK Seriously.... If X2 has working drum maps, true across the board color customization and folders in folders (and throw in a gapless engine) I'll take it over more modules/synths/jewlery.

drum maps ,color, eng +1 , i didnt say nothing im being good.

If/when X2 comes along it might be an idea to have just the one product i.e. Sonar X2. Period.

No X2 'lite', no X2 Expanded. Just quite simply Sonar X2.

And a range of dedicated affordable midi X2 controllers would be nice, in a similar vain to but much improved on version of Steinberg's efforts for Cubase.

But hey, I left this forum and use Logic so not sure if I'm allowed to make such sweeping suggestions? 

lfm, I didn't mean to come off as saying that Cakewalk should keep pushing X1 and Expanded and not make any money off of them. I'm sure Cakewalk made a huge chunk of change when X1 was initially released and the same could be said about Expanded. If they keep on marketing while improving both X1 and Expanded in general - I am sure there will be more sales and revenue. A lot of non X1 users will also decide to check out the DAW that's aging like good old wine. But it's also up to us users to spread the news through word of mouth. X1 could be a house hold name in more users home studios and professional recording studios but it's tough when there is so many competing products. The thing that will attract more users to Expanded are the modules. That is why they aren't releasing just 2 or 3 but more is on the way. They're making their money and extending X1's life cycle at the same time while rolling out additional bug fixes and features through FREE updates. I just think, they can continue to do it longer and still remain viable in the competitive DAW market.