It seems to me that a lot of the Naysayers complaints revolve around Cakewalk developing Sonar in such a way that these users feel "tied in" to continue using Cakewalk products.

What a fascinating concept! Developing tools that only your own customer base can use and something that the opposition doesn't possess.  How on earth can this be a bad thing - for Cakewalk?

You guys really ought to listen to what you're saying, it's childish & laughable.

John T


Don't see how you can be "sure" there would be VST support, that's nothing but speculation. And currently, the number of VST3-only plug-ins around is not huge. There's a case for adding it of course, but not adding it hasn't *shrunk* the choices available. And you also have the choice to *not* invest in the expanded stuff, if you prefer not to.

Well, that the kind of choice that you have in countries with totalitarian regims as well, you can vote and not vote

You obviously think PC and Expanded are not taking resources away from anything else.
I do - it's common sense.

- "And currently, the number of VST3-only plug-ins around is not huge. "
Your focus is already away from VSTs.

Cake is winning the battle.
Good luck

Oh man, what absolutely rubbish. There's no smiley in the world smiley enough to make that totalitarian cobblers any less mindless than it is.

Bristol_Jonesey


It seems to me that a lot of the Naysayers complaints revolve around Cakewalk developing Sonar in such a way that these users feel "tied in" to continue using Cakewalk products.

What a fascinating concept! Developing tools that only your own customer base can use and something that the opposition doesn't possess.  How on earth can this be a bad thing - for Cakewalk?

You guys really ought to listen to what you're saying, it's childish & laughable.

I never said it was bad for Cake.
It's very good for Cake that everybody is jumping when they say "jump".

My perspective is users solely.

As for the resources argument, you can say that about anything. Time spend on Matrix view, which I don't use, could have been spent on something that I do use. Thing is, I comprehend that they're not making stuff bespoke for me alone. Thing about the Expanded / Pro Channel stuff is that it actually is its own product line and revenue stream. If you don't buy it, then your money is *not* being spent on it.

This argument is simply too stupid to continue with.

i dont think they painted them self in, there user base is growing  and there marketing structure seems solid,
 there aware im shure the limitations or everything would be pluged like the prochannel plugs.
i may not be a fan of there marketing structure but.
 i cant deny that, when i saw the intire  built in prechannel plug in action it was a workflow dream.
if all is solid and good with x1 now as we think. then i guess what other direction can they go.
but to just add alot more features . i would like to see the stuff like SD and v vocal get a make over.
and i would like to see, v vocal built in a prochannel format.its in need of  some help  since we all bounce stuff right after we use it, so where shure it dont crash out projects, so its a good match , fix v vocal and make a new plug to sell, now that i would call progress.

John T


This argument is simply too stupid to continue with.

I'm still not sure who you are arguing with, you have not found the way to "Quotes" yet

Some prefer to call everybody stupid that does not agree with them.

Some people do do that, yeah, but that's not the case here. I'm saying that your point about "less choice" doesn't stand, and I've explained why. So we're left with two possibilities; you're just being a troll in sticking to it, or you actually are too stupid to understand. Both of those lead to the same conclusion: no point carrying on.

I guess I am confused by this train of thought as well.  

How can you have "less choice" when you have more options?  

I am guessing that it is the paying for options that bothers some.  I look at it this way, though, if I am in the market for a new LA2 Compressor plug in, I can either buy one from Waves, T- Racks, etc., or buy the one that Cake is about to put out.  It is still my choice though, just another option, and certainly not less choice.  It will not transfer to another DAW, but that is my choice if I buy it.  I don't feel like I am just jumping on the band wagon either....me and my money are hard to part with.  I am making an educated conscous decision which way I decide to purchase.