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  • I'm trying to convince my bandmates to buy Sonar to record their parts... need advice. (p.3)
2012/07/30 17:07:52
synkrotron
vintagevibe


USE BUN FILES!!!  I've been using them since they were introduced in the 90's. and have never had a problem.  If you did have a problem just have them re-saved and sent again.  This will make your live way easier!
That'll put the cat amongst the pigeons... Seriously though, the band I was in used CWB files, but we saw each other on a daily basis and used DVD's at the time (SD cards would be the preferred format now...). If we ever did have to do stuff remotely, we FTP'd individual WAV files and provided the usual tempo/clip start time info, if required. Even that was a bit prohibitive at times.

2012/07/30 17:09:47
Rain
Beepster


I may try out the paid version of dropbox but I think even the free version allows 2.5 GB. However you are right in the sense it may not be trustworthy. I was also considering getting a couple of those crazy tough steel Corsair 32 GB flash drives or as you said using DVDs. Cheers.

Dropbox works just fine. We're working on a project w/ folks located in Canada and California right now and it works A-1.
2012/07/30 17:37:14
Michael Five
I do this by exchanging wav files exported from audio tracks (or midi files in some situations).  For me, there wasn't really any gain from having everyone on the same DAW, and a lot of guys already have other programs to start with.  That always seemed like the most flexible approach here....

Also, I have played with this site called indaba, it's basically an online DAW where everyone can track, store things, and generally collaborate. It had a lot of promise, but I could nnever get anyone else really engaged with it, so it sort of fell off. Maybe it was ahead of its time, this was a couple of years ago, I haven't visited since, maybe its the ticket now (or maybe it's gone, idano...)

I know I didn;t quite answer the question you asked, beep, but still.... :)
2012/07/30 18:15:06
Beepster
@guitarhacker... I think I have Music Creator available to me for $20 in my store account. I wonder if I'd be able to buy it for them to use. hmm... I'll have to take a closer look at that. Thanks.

@vintagevibe... Yeah, I've only used bundles once so far but it didn't cause any problems. As I said it'd be good if everything stayed within Sonar because it would just be a whole heck of a lot easier I think. I'm still learning and I know these guys aren't exactly DAW experts either so importing/exporting to various platforms might end up being a problem.

@rain... That's good to know. I am now remembering how looooong the uploads/downloads took though. Considering this might end up being 3 hours worth of material I may actually have to resort to *shudder* Canada Post and DVDs or flash drives.

@MichaelFive... I guess I need to learn more about this but as I said, the more project data (like markers and tempos) available to them the better I think. I'm gonna have to call him a suss out how much he knows. I haven't really been in contact with those guys for a year or so so maybe the string guy has upped his game as far as recording. I know he recorded our sister act which is essentially all the same members minus me and it sounded pretty decent.

Anyway, thanks for all the info guys. It's great to get everyone's input and different views. Every time I post a thread I learn so much. If anyone can toss anything else at me I'm all ears. Cheers!

2012/07/30 19:42:33
Michael Five
I see your point, beep, about trying to arm your mates with as much info - structure, really - as you can.  It sounds like you might be runnig into a dynamic that I found really hard to deal with, where the skill and equipment level of guys I wanted to include in collaborations was just lacking and I had to try to find creative ways to get them plugged into the game.  In the end, I was generally not successful, and for remote collaboration I have concluded that it works best with folks who are basically already comfortable (or can learn fast) with the process like razorwit laid out. 

I'm not trying to be a black cloud of gloom here, man, just sharing my travels on a similar path.  Artistically, I had this really nice group together, albeit in different cities, and really wanted to make it work remotely, but the paradigm just didn't suit some of the folks, bottom line.  Even though it's becoming more of a norm, there are still a lot of good writers and players that just don't sport the package of musical, computer, and production skills to make remote work really practical.  Working with guys who have made the modern leap is big fun and well worth it, though, hope you get your band plugged in successfully...
2012/07/30 21:47:09
Beepster
Well it seems they really want to work with me (as I do them) and the one guy is kind of my right hand man and is super interested in learning everything he can so I'm hoping it will work out. They're a great bunch of folks and some of the finest musicians I've ever worked with so I'm just hoping they are willing to put in the effort/investment to make it happen. I really do think it will be worthwhile because revelers flock to this specific group like moths to a flame (we always had capacity issues even on our slow nights... the club even ate violation tickets because they made so much cash at the bar when we played it didn't bother them). It would be a terrible waste to not have something recorded. IMO anyway. I'll just have to put my head and heart into it and hope the best. Cheers.
2012/07/30 22:36:06
daveny5
USE BUN FILES!!!  I've been using them since they were introduced in the 90's. and have never had a problem



That was about 7-8 versions ago... BUNs are now CWBs. 
2012/07/30 22:40:39
vintagevibe
daveny5



USE BUN FILES!!!  I've been using them since they were introduced in the 90's. and have never had a problem



That was about 7-8 versions ago... BUNs are now CWBs. 

Which stand for CakeWalkBUNdle:>)
2012/07/31 00:06:22
Michael Five
Beepster


Well it seems they really want to work with me (as I do them) and the one guy is kind of my right hand man and is super interested in learning everything he can so I'm hoping it will work out. They're a great bunch of folks and some of the finest musicians I've ever worked with so I'm just hoping they are willing to put in the effort/investment to make it happen. I really do think it will be worthwhile because revelers flock to this specific group like moths to a flame (we always had capacity issues even on our slow nights... the club even ate violation tickets because they made so much cash at the bar when we played it didn't bother them). It would be a terrible waste to not have something recorded. IMO anyway. I'll just have to put my head and heart into it and hope the best. Cheers.
oh, yeah, then you're golden, if you have a guy that wants to learn. My probs were more related to guys that just weren't inclined to work that way and I thought I could make it easy on them and they'd take to it.  Plus you've got more water under the bridge with your crew, sounds like, and hopefully more motivation to make it go for them.  Lemme know how it goes...


2012/07/31 01:19:20
Rain
Beepster



@rain... That's good to know. I am now remembering how looooong the uploads/downloads took though. Considering this might end up being 3 hours worth of material I may actually have to resort to *shudder* Canada Post and DVDs or flash drives.

Canada Post uh? Not part of my fondest memories of home.. ;)

I don't know if the download speeds have anything to do w/ paid accounts vs free account, but they seem fairly adequate to me. I've just downloaded a 50 mb rough mix - less than 20 seconds, which seems to be pretty standard transfer rate w/ our connexion here. Admittedly, a 3 GB project may take a while, but it still beats Canada Post. ;)


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