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  • Why are there no dedicated High End hardware for Sonar integration (p.2)
2017/10/20 02:26:47
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BenMMusTech
Ok...interesting question. Let's look at this from another angle, 'what is high end?' for a start, and 'do you need a high end interface secondly?'

 
Yes I do. I use an RME UFX PLUS and it's better than any other interface out there. High end as in accurate translation of what's going in and what's coming out. No Color.
 
BenMMusTech
In the bad old days of early digital and even pre-early digital...think 1977 when the first digital recording was made, converters were basic, unless you stumped up for some boutique converters, or indeed you joined the dark side of the force and brought into the Pro Fools rubbish.



This post has nothing to do with Pro-tools, I also mentioned MOTU but you seem fixated on Pro-tools.
This is not about if Cakewalk Sonar is good or Bad.

All I am asking is that Cakewalk was acquired by a Company who also own Tascam, why and will they make hardware that are tightly integrated with the software so that users have unprecedented usability.

Just imagine the possibilities, if you have issues, you get help quickly and accurately because people will have similar systems and setups.

Currently if I have issues with RME, I have to go to their forum, unless I get someone here who uses the same system.





2017/10/20 03:32:34
AT
Roland made the V700, which was as integrated a controller as you could want.  Cake never said anything but it didn't sell well, or enough to come out w/ V700b. 
 
As said above, there is simply no market for a dedicated controller except for Pro Tools  with their market share (especially top end).  A universal controller sells well enough.  But then you have problems integrating it with SONAR.  TASCAM could certainly do the hardware part, but you still have the software side.  Imagine having a software guy write code for a year or $100,000 worth of code.  How many units at what price do you need to sell to make that much profit back?  That is a lot of hardware.  And you would be going against old Faderports or new Behringer units.
 
Some sort of combo fader/knob unit built into a large touchscreen would be best.
 
But the best argument against a Cakewalk hardware unit is the fact they didn't prove popular enough when they had Roland make them.  There are simply not enough customers willing to pay $500 - $3000 for a hardware solution dedicated to SONAR.
 
 
2017/10/20 04:18:06
rodreb
I'm still using my old Tascam US-2400. Still works well and does what I need it to do.
2017/10/20 05:02:49
BenMMusTech
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BenMMusTech
Ok...interesting question. Let's look at this from another angle, 'what is high end?' for a start, and 'do you need a high end interface secondly?'

 
Yes I do. I use an RME UFX PLUS and it's better than any other interface out there. High end as in accurate translation of what's going in and what's coming out. No Color.
 
BenMMusTech
In the bad old days of early digital and even pre-early digital...think 1977 when the first digital recording was made, converters were basic, unless you stumped up for some boutique converters, or indeed you joined the dark side of the force and brought into the Pro Fools rubbish.



This post has nothing to do with Pro-tools, I also mentioned MOTU but you seem fixated on Pro-tools.
This is not about if Cakewalk Sonar is good or Bad.

All I am asking is that Cakewalk was acquired by a Company who also own Tascam, why and will they make hardware that are tightly integrated with the software so that users have unprecedented usability.

Just imagine the possibilities, if you have issues, you get help quickly and accurately because people will have similar systems and setups.

Currently if I have issues with RME, I have to go to their forum, unless I get someone here who uses the same system.









Sorry, I thought I was being unequivocal with my answer, which was there was no point. It would not be financially viable for one...look at Roland and Cakewalk, and look at all the other companies who've tried and failed to create integrated hardware/software products...they've all gone out of business. Secondly, as I pointed out...high end is somewhat of a myth. I'd have to do some research, but I remember doing some a number of years ago, and off the top of my head...all converters were made pretty much made by a small cartel...in fact, but don't quote me...but the converter used in RME's interface and Motu's was the same...the only difference was price :). RME being about 1000 dollars more. 
 
You also mention about tighter integration (less problems) being a payoff for Sonar customers, if Cakewalk built an audio-interface. Let me just say...that it is not Cakewalk or Sonar that is the problem and people who are experiencing problems, it is in fact underpowered PCs and cheap PC components that are the problem. I was having some issues a few weeks ago (crashes), these problems were the result of Windows last update, and indeed a machine that had reached the end of the line powerwise - oh and old plugins. I've now brought a new computer...a beast 32 gig of ram, 6 gig of graphics ram, main SSD drive - even an internal spindle drive for storage, I've also got an audio SSD drive connected to a USB 3 port, and duel 4k monitors. I no longer have the problems that were caused by my old computer being underpowerd. There are a couple of issues still, old plugins mainly...and indeed this is something that people need to address within the digital music paradgim...and no software, Pro Fools :), Cubase or Logic can overcome...when you have so many different standards of plugs...VST 2, VST 3 and DXI...can be made to work perfectly when you're mixing and matching those 3 plugin standards.
 
Finally, if you're having problems with RME i.e. drivers or something not working...you'd still be better off coming to this forum, because most people who use RME also use it with Crapple computers. And here is where you're really getting confused, it is the hyperrestrictions that Crapple impose on their computer parts and the apps which include Pro Fools and Logic that create the tight intergration. Cakewalk would literally have to get into building P.Cs to create what you want. And again...there is no point! 
 
I'd actually forgotton about Gibson owning Tascam, and indeed the links between Cakewalk and Tascam.
 
Ben    
2017/10/20 08:45:58
azslow3
Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]
I just wish I could get signed W10 drivers :\

I guess CW has/can invest into required certificate to resign... I mean for internal use (and may be for "friends", I guess no one will tell Roland ).
2017/10/20 09:26:26
THambrecht
I had the Roland VS-700C and I was able to set it up for Windows 10x64. I sold it and bought Hardware from AVID.
And I say quite honestly that the AVID Artist Mix is much much quieter as the VS-700. The faders are so quiet that you can really do a mix without being disturbed by the moving faders. AVID EUControl works very well with SONAR and is very stable. It works over LAN-cable, so you can place the console 100 meters away from your DAW. I think "this" is High-End. But I never would use ProTools.
I think that a lot of users buy rather a "cheap" Behringer X-Touch (with very loud faders) instead of a quiete AVID Artist Mix. What should Cakewalk or Gibson do now?
If Cakewalk would build a HighEnd console with very quite faders, I would buy it. But it must be smaller as the oversized VS-700.
 
 
2017/10/20 10:06:51
Zargg
 I'm pleased with the integration With both the Console 1, and the Tascam FW 1884 (Thanks to Tom Deering/DeeringAmps).
But I'd like something more directly integrated with all the bells and whistles 
All the best.
2017/10/20 11:09:40
John
They did have the Peavey Studio Mix which was a CS for Pro Audio and Sonar. There were MIDI interfaces too.
 
CW has had many hardware devices in its history but keeping those things going is not something most software companies do well. 
2017/10/20 12:13:49
Jesse G
Roland made the Octa-Capture when it owned Cakewalk, and that hardware interface is still working great with Sonar.  I loved using it and have never had a problem with it. 
 
Unfortunately, for a midi controller, the VS-700 wasn't maintained and thus fell by the wayside. However, I have to give it to Mackie for creating their tried and true MCU which I have owned and used for over 10 years now.
2017/10/20 14:06:16
rscain
THambrecht
 
I think that a lot of users buy rather a "cheap" Behringer X-Touch (with very loud faders) instead of a quiete AVID Artist Mix. What should Cakewalk or Gibson do now?


Just for the record, I have an X-Touch and the faders are dead quiet. I don't know where that whole loud faders thing got started. Maybe someone got a bad unit, maybe gear snobbery, who knows?
Just wanted to put that out there.
Carry on.
 
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