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2017/10/22 20:40:06
Zargg
Jesse G
Wow,
 
What a great discussion!! 
 
If Tascam could come up with a more recent version of the Us 2400 Control Surface for Sonar and make it affordable, then they will have a winner. The key is they must keep it with the changes in the Operating Systems for this to work.


I'm still using a Tascam FW 1884 in the latest version of SONAR Platinum and Win 10 X64 as a Control Surface.
I only use it for faders, pan, play, record etc, but it works like a charm 
When it goes bye bye, I'll probably go for a Behringer X-Touch, if nothing new has happened in the meantime.
2017/10/22 21:08:43
Jesse G
Zargg

I'm still using a Tascam FW 1884 in the latest version of SONAR Platinum and Win 10 X64 as a Control Surface.
I only use it for faders, pan, play, record etc, but it works like a charm 
When it goes bye bye, I'll probably go for a Behringer X-Touch, if nothing new has happened in the meantime.



Zargg,
 
You still have a Tascam FW 1884?   I remember wanting one of those soooo bad when they came out.  I am shocked that they are working with SPLAT.     Hold onto that Jewel man!
2017/10/22 21:22:17
Zargg
Jesse G
Zargg

I'm still using a Tascam FW 1884 in the latest version of SONAR Platinum and Win 10 X64 as a Control Surface.
I only use it for faders, pan, play, record etc, but it works like a charm 
When it goes bye bye, I'll probably go for a Behringer X-Touch, if nothing new has happened in the meantime.



Zargg,
 
You still have a Tascam FW 1884?   I remember wanting one of those soooo bad when they came out.  I am shocked that they are working with SPLAT.     Hold onto that Jewel man!


I'll keep it as long as it fires up once in a while  
I don't have any issues with it, after I got help from Tom Deering/DeeringAmps setting it up, using the correct drivers, SONAR plugin etc.
A recent photo of it

PS. That's Mike closest to the camera 
 
2017/10/22 21:58:21
THambrecht
Definition "High End":
High End is for me also a definition for hardware that is 100% stable in 24/7 use.
For example a tape machine Studer A80 or a broadcast turntable EMT 948, which was in a lot of radio stations. The needle is playing 3 years with 365 days 24/7 - and not only 1000 records. Changing the needle-system or boards in the turntable in 5 seconds. They are stable - and you can also hear the difference in audio quality to other machines. And they do their job after 40 years daily use!!!
We digitaze old tapes and vinyl round the clock, therefore computers run 24/7.
RME Fireface 800 runs longer then a year, without switching off. And there are never problems during recording analog medias. Focusrite interfaces had sometimes problems when they are longer used as 14 days, then the laptops had to be restartet - so this is not HighEnd. A Roland Quad Capture can run a year without switching off, when the laptop runs 365 days 24/7.
"HighEnd" is therefore also that you can use your hardware 365 days 24/7 over decades.
2017/10/22 22:37:57
BenMMusTech
THambrecht
Definition "High End":
High End is for me also a definition for hardware that is 100% stable in 24/7 use.
For example a tape machine Studer A80 or a broadcast turntable EMT 948, which was in a lot of radio stations. The needle is playing 3 years with 365 days 24/7 - and not only 1000 records. Changing the needle-system or boards in the turntable in 5 seconds. They are stable - and you can also hear the difference in audio quality to other machines. And they do their job after 40 years daily use!!!
We digitaze old tapes and vinyl round the clock, therefore computers run 24/7.
RME Fireface 800 runs longer then a year, without switching off. And there are never problems during recording analog medias. Focusrite interfaces had sometimes problems when they are longer used as 14 days, then the laptops had to be restartet - so this is not HighEnd. A Roland Quad Capture can run a year without switching off, when the laptop runs 365 days 24/7.
"HighEnd" is therefore also that you can use your hardware 365 days 24/7 over decades.


Lol, sounds like you're a luddite with an analogue fetish...and what you're saying is a misnomer. All music technology has issues, and all music technology esp tape machines need services. My system, which is a MoTU Ultralite 3, with an Acer quad core laptop, 32 gig ram, 6 gig graphics, SSD drive and music SSD connected via USB 3 is about 98% reliable - demonstrates you don't really understand what high end is in the contemporary music era. And 98% because every once in a while...like the humans who design this tech, and who themselves are not infallible, it develops glitches...oh my bleeding heart...I need to do a restart lol. And even though I buy a new laptop every 2-3 years...you don't need a specially built PC these days for audio or film/video processing, it is still a hell of a lot cheaper than the million dollars it cost Hendrix to build Electric Lady Studios in 1970. Today for around 10,000 grand I can design you a 100 % portable rig...no studio needed for tracking, mixing and mastering, with a guarantee the most you will need to do is restart the machine. No faffing around with expensive and glitch prone tape machines, no faffing around with broken cassettes on analogue desks...just a very reliable and totally fitted out virtual studio, that can replicate Abbey Road,Olympic and a number of other classic studios. My MoTU interface is still going strong after 7 years, but it is the next price of gear in line for an upgrade...I want a Thunderbolt interface...yep laptop has a Thunderbolt 3 port, meaning I should be able to play my virtual tech in real time. Neat
2017/10/22 22:45:05
Audioicon
Zargg
 

 



Nice!
2017/10/23 08:32:19
azslow3
BenMMusTech
THambrecht
Definition "High End":
High End is for me also a definition for hardware that is 100% stable in 24/7 use.
For example a tape machine Studer A80 or a broadcast turntable EMT 948, which was in a lot of radio stations. The needle is playing 3 years with 365 days 24/7 - and not only 1000 records. Changing the needle-system or boards in the turntable in 5 seconds. They are stable - and you can also hear the difference in audio quality to other machines. And they do their job after 40 years daily use!!!
We digitaze old tapes and vinyl round the clock, therefore computers run 24/7.
RME Fireface 800 runs longer then a year, without switching off. And there are never problems during recording analog medias. Focusrite interfaces had sometimes problems when they are longer used as 14 days, then the laptops had to be restartet - so this is not HighEnd. A Roland Quad Capture can run a year without switching off, when the laptop runs 365 days 24/7.
"HighEnd" is therefore also that you can use your hardware 365 days 24/7 over decades.


Lol, sounds like you're a luddite with an analogue fetish...and what you're saying is a misnomer. All music technology has issues, and all music technology esp tape machines need services. My system, which is a MoTU Ultralite 3, with an Acer quad core laptop, 32 gig ram, 6 gig graphics, SSD drive and music SSD connected via USB 3 is about 98% reliable - demonstrates you don't really understand what high end is in the contemporary music era. And 98% because every once in a while...like the humans who design this tech, and who themselves are not infallible, it develops glitches...oh my bleeding heart...I need to do a restart lol. And even though I buy a new laptop every 2-3 years...you don't need a specially built PC these days for audio or film/video processing, it is still a hell of a lot cheaper than the million dollars it cost Hendrix to build Electric Lady Studios in 1970. Today for around 10,000 grand I can design you a 100 % portable rig...no studio needed for tracking, mixing and mastering, with a guarantee the most you will need to do is restart the machine. No faffing around with expensive and glitch prone tape machines, no faffing around with broken cassettes on analogue desks...just a very reliable and totally fitted out virtual studio, that can replicate Abbey Road,Olympic and a number of other classic studios. My MoTU interface is still going strong after 7 years, but it is the next price of gear in line for an upgrade...I want a Thunderbolt interface...yep laptop has a Thunderbolt 3 port, meaning I should be able to play my virtual tech in real time. Neat

May be you do not understand that for some people and some applications, if something is stuck once per 2 month that is a peace of crap... independent from the label, price and performance.
At work, if something is stuck for the second time, I send it to manufacturer. If that is not possible/does not solve the problem, I throw that away from the system. Wasting $1-5k per such peace... but the rest of the system works fine.
 
20 years ago, "smart" colleagues have decided that "a specially build PCs (servers)" are not required, and they have constructed a farm from 250 normal desktop PCs. You can guess how good that was working.
 
So I like that (I agree not traditional) definition of "High end" 
 
2017/10/23 11:16:14
gunboatdiplomacy
"All I am asking is that Cakewalk was acquired by a Company who also own Tascam, why and will they make hardware that are tightly integrated with the software so that users have unprecedented usability."

BECAUSE THERE IS NOT ENOUGH POTENTIAL MARKET. NOT ENOUGH REWARD TO JUSTIFY THE RISK. Set aside the millions of dollars it takes to design and build and market a new product, think of the reputational risk of releasing a product that flops or suffers from poor quality.
2017/10/23 13:56:58
THambrecht
@BenMMusTech
We don't make music - We digitize old tapes and vinyl for publishers, libraries and customers.
We are in Germany - Quality stands before the price.
If you don't have "HighEnd" hardware like Studer A80, EMT 948 and other expensive hardware you will get no work from the pusblishers and libraries. If you have only a Technics SL-1200 instead on an EMT, you get no work to digitize vinyl. If you have only AKAI instead of Studer - you get no work to digitize tapes. The customer wants to have a list of your hardware and decides who gets the assignment. Because the customer knows that an EMT948 has a better sound then a Technics SL-1200 ... and so on. Most customers want to have very selectet hardware for digitizing there audio.
The same goes for audiointerfaces. Minimum standard is RME Fireface 800 or higher. Otherwise the customer goes elsewhere.
2017/10/24 18:38:09
Audioicon
 
Given majority of the responses indicates this is not going to happen, I am convinced Gibson will hand over Cakewalk to another company. Again, not to veered too far off the main topic but why acquire something if you do not wish to invest in it?

Any new hardware not exclusive to Sonar but tightly integrated for Sonar by Gibson will indicate an endeavor on Gibson's part to elevate the User experience for Sonar.

Cassette tapes are almost dead, what are the folks at Tascam doing with their time? 
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