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2014/01/31 10:55:58
Walt Collins
Rimshot
I like when the drums come in after the plucks started.  Was not expecting the synth pattern.  Why did you call it Pligram and Indians?  What section was the indians?  A little too repetitive over all but the sections are all really good.  Maybe just cut the whole thing down a bit?  I liked the plucked part section the best.  

 
Thanks Jimmy.  Actually it was originally for Herb's holiday songwriting contest, last Thanksgiving/Christmas.  I was trying to semi-comically chronicle the "first thanksgiving", with the classical sections representing the puritanical pilgrims, and the hipper, bolder synth stuff representing the native American Indians.  Then the mid/end break part is supposed to be a fight breaking out, with guns going off and such.
 
I'm going to be adding some layers in the middle to make it more interesting.
2014/02/01 00:02:04
Wayne Joseph Kington
That's really cool Walt, and grooves along well.  I'm not sure I have much to say, it's all very well done and produced. 
2014/02/01 08:27:05
Walt Collins
Wayne Joseph Kington
That's really cool Walt, and grooves along well.  I'm not sure I have much to say, it's all very well done and produced. 


Thanks Wayne.  I've just added some "tribal" sounding drums (and a couple other layers and minor tweaks) to my in-house mix, but I've not uploaded it yet.  Still considering other changes.  I hope to post an update soon.
2014/02/04 12:00:56
Walt Collins
I've just uploaded the new "added drums" mix.  I hope people will like it.
2014/02/05 17:42:40
Wayne Joseph Kington
Listening again Walt, I really like your style as a composer, the slightly off-centre arrangement of strings at the beginning, the interesting synth sounds, the minimalist repetition that never gets dull and the percussion... Is that all programmed beats?

There's something I really like about repetition that never quite sounds repetitive... It plays with the boundary between familiar and unfamiliar, creating something layered and very listenable.

Well done.
2014/02/05 18:34:06
Walt Collins
Wayne Joseph Kington
Listening again Walt, I really like your style as a composer, the slightly off-centre arrangement of strings at the beginning, the interesting synth sounds, the minimalist repetition that never gets dull and the percussion... Is that all programmed beats?

There's something I really like about repetition that never quite sounds repetitive... It plays with the boundary between familiar and unfamiliar, creating something layered and very listenable.

Well done.



Thanks for the re-listen Wayne.  The drums are made up of a few different things, actually:
  1. Battery 4 is the main drum part, starting around 0:54, is a midi loop running through an old school 909 kit
  2. AAS Ultra Analog is doing an "Electragroove" arpeggiation starting around 1:13
  3. Kontakt 5 starts around 1:50 with the tribal rhythms that I used from the West Africa discovery series (kinda cheating, as I don't have any real American Indian drums).  The West Africa drums library has a really cool way of triggering their drum sample loops.  Each octave does something different, with each note in that octave providing a different variant on what that octave is doing.  For example, from C1-B2 are the 12 variants of the main rhythm ensembles, then from C2-B3 are the 12 variants of the "solo djembe" phrases, then from C3-B4 are the single djembe hits, from C4-B5 are the single stroke dunun hits, etc.  Of course you get to sync the tempo and set the knobs for the right feel/intensity, etc.  It's pretty fun to play with!
  4. AAS Chromaphone, doing a low tom simple "Indian beat" in the middle section around 2:08 for a short while
As far as the somewhat (admittedly) repetitive style of my writing, I usually try to vary something on a theme that gets woven into some other part of the song.  I feel it's important to allow the listener (even a first time listener) an opportunity to "hum along" and feel like they know where it's going.  That doesn't mean that surprises aren't good too!  But I do like to let folks learn the song a bit and then re-use that familiarity later in the song.
 
I guess it's something I learned doing pop/rock music for all those years.  Everyone wants to hear the chorus early and often, so they can start singing along.  Well, this ain't pop/rock, but that doesn't mean I can't use some of the same writing tricks in my electronic music. :)
2014/02/05 19:14:25
equality
Sounds great! Nice grooves all the way. The congas part adds intensity to an already intense tune. Good job!
2014/02/06 12:06:27
daryl1968
nice mix of genres and it really keeps your attention throughout.
I'm not sure you're allowed to call them Indians anymore - you have to call them Native Instruments
2014/02/06 13:24:44
Walt Collins
equality
Sounds great! Nice grooves all the way. The congas part adds intensity to an already intense tune. Good job!


 
Thanks equality!  I appreciate the listen and comments.

daryl1968
nice mix of genres and it really keeps your attention throughout.
I'm not sure you're allowed to call them Indians anymore - you have to call them Native Instruments



Haha!  Perhaps they are the knights who said NI?  (o.O)
 
Seriously though, thanks Daryl.
2014/02/06 13:28:46
Wookiee
I like both versions
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