2016/02/07 04:08:18
Kalle Rantaaho
What is there to wonder about? It's not a conspiracy either that most bacteria have developed immunity to most antibiotics. Viruses and bacteria will herit the world. They spread and adapt and use all the pigholes there are.
 
This zika/zica as a name is problematic in Finland because there already is the old pig flu, and pig in Finnish is sika.
You need to be careful with pronounciation. :o) 
 
As for comparing zica and stupidity...the problem is zica can be analysed and defined, stupidity has as many forms and definitions as there are people...And yes, stupidity does more harm.
2016/02/07 04:19:44
slartabartfast
One obvious problem with the pesticide theory is that pesticide use has not been shown to have followed the geographic pattern of spread that Zika has, nor has the amount of pesticide use increased suddenly in areas where microcephaly has dramatically increased. I am not a big fan of pesticides, and I expect that they may be more harmful than their champions want us to believe, but pesticides do not follow the pattern that Zika and microcephaly have followed. Those of us old enough to remember the AIDS epidemic will recall that the condition was ascribed to a dizzying variety of possible causes from recreational drugs common in the US gay community at the time to allergy to semen deposited rectally, to the punishment of crimes explicated in Leviticus. The possibly apocryphal story about the "discovery" of AIDS is that two doctors were riding an elevator in a San Francisco hospital when one overheard the other saying he was treating a very rare case of Pneumocystis pneumonia, and the other one told him that he had a case under treatment as well. HIV was subsequently found not only in the blood of many many AIDS sufferers but in frozen blood samples from decades earlier. In time the issues around Zika will be clarified, not by conspiracy fantasies or speculation, but by methodical science. In the meantime some of us, at least, have the opportunity to reduce our exposure to a risk of unknown dimension and it is probably better to have been warned unnecessarily than to have discovered that the warnings were accurate in retrospect. That said, the astonishingly successful spread and persistence of HIV, which is a disease that is nearly one hundred percent preventable by a simple change in human behavior without the cooperation of insects does not bode well for the effectiveness of public health warnings. 
2016/02/07 08:30:53
MandolinPicker
The 'conspiracy' theory revolves around genetically modified mosquitoes (GMM). A GMM was created by a British company called Oxitec back in 2012 to help fight dengue fever. That GMM was released into Brazil where dengue fever rates was high. There was some question about whether enough testing had been done before releasing the GMMs into the wild. (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/jul/15/gm-mosquitoes-dengue-fever-feature?cat=environment&type=article). Combine this with some Sci-Fi Jurassic Park and other dystopia shows and you have the start of the conspiracy (https://www.rt.com/news/330728-gmo-mosquitoes-zika-virus/).
 
The same company that developed the GMM for Zika has also indicated that the same GMM technique may be useful to help stop the threat of Zika. The idea is to decrease the population of mosquitoes through genetic modification that does not allow the males to breed (http://www.livescience.com/53577-genetically-modified-mosquitoes.html). Another article here at NPR (http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2016/01/26/464464459/genetically-modified-mosquitoes-join-the-fight-to-stop-zika-virus).
 
The problem is that while there have been an increase in the number of babies born with microcephaly since the start of the outbreak (>4000), there is no definitive link between the Zika virus and microcephaly. There are a number of other causes for the disease. As was noted earlier, Zika has been around for a long time. It is only recently that it has been associated with microcephaly. Either something has changed with the virus or there is another cause that has yet to be determined.
 
Hope that helps a bit
2016/02/07 09:32:00
Jesse Screed
Most excellent dialogue my brothers.
 
I never meant stupid as it has been construed thus far.  But, several posts have turned on a dime and steered the post in a new direction.
 
It is true, very smart people, with the best of intentions, can perpetrate extremely stupid events. 
 
It is stupid we should fear the most.  Whether some smart person genetically modifies one life form to influence another, and the principle of unintended consequences rears it's ugly head.  Or my neighbor, who thinks disposing of his crank case oil in the storm sewer has no consequence.
 
Of course, this whole zika thing could just be click bait; in which case, who are the stupid ones?
 
I need a piece of toast.
 
Jesse Q. Screed
2016/02/07 14:14:00
tlw
MandolinPicker
The 'conspiracy' theory revolves around genetically modified mosquitoes (GMM).


I doubt the exact contents of the mosquito in question's DNA has anything to do with it. All female mosquitos drink mammalian blood and there happens to be at least one genus that has a sucker capable of passing micro-organisms and, in the right conditions, those micro-organisms can survive inside the mosquito and get passed on to the mosquito's next meal. "Genetically modified" are words that get conspiracy theorists all steamed up, but most of them know so little about genetics that their opinion isn't worth much. And the ones who do understand genetics but spread misinformation anyway are a form of social parasite.

 
MandolinPicker
As was noted earlier, Zika has been around for a long time. It is only recently that it has been associated with microcephaly. Either something has changed with the virus or there is another cause that has yet to be determined.


Viruses do evolve of course, and sometimes very rapidly indeed. Another possibility is that the virus is as it has always been and it's taken an outbreak on this scale to statistically expose the connection. Or at least that there is an apparent correlation.

Or maybe until recently no-one was asking the mothers of babies with microcephaly the right questions to find out they'd had a Zika infection while pregnant or did the necessary antibody tests to locate the evidence of previous infection froma blood sample from the mother. And if only around 1 in 5 infections shows any symptoms at all then the majority of those women won't even know they've been infected in the first place.

Whatever, it'll be the scientists who find out, not Alex Jones.
2016/02/09 00:29:50
FakeItTillUmakeIt
I recall a time when it was the walking catfish... (really [yes, I'm old])
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