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  • Harrison Mixbus 3.0-3146 now available. (p.2)
2016/01/15 13:18:50
Sidroe
BTW, I already contacted Harrison. All I got was a reply about isn't windows fun!!
2016/01/15 13:19:52
bapu
Sidroe
BTW, I already contacted Harrison. All I got was a reply about isn't windows fun!!


Well........ isn't it?
(I'll get me coat)
2016/01/15 13:29:16
Sidroe

2016/01/15 15:23:31
Sidroe
Well, I got 3146 to finally install and work but I have to set the driver to Microsoft Mapper and that only gives me 2 ins and outs! It won't recognize the Studio-Captures at all in ASIO mode and that is what I need. I've got to have all 32 ins and 20 outs in order to do live recording in Mixbus 3. How do I get Windows 10 to detect the pair of Studio-Captures instead of just one? Any help would be greatly appreciated! When Mixbus 3 crashed I had to shutdown the computer and re-boot so Splat would detect the ASIO drivers again. Any ideas about this?
2016/01/15 17:56:58
scoble08
Hey Sid.
I've been stuck at MB 3.0-2257 because of MB/Octa-Capture issues similar to yours.  I believe Harrison changed their ASIO code after this version. Here's the latest I got from Ben.  Haven't had a chance to install yet.
 
Hi Steve,We haven't received the Octa-Capture from Roland yet; I'll see if I can track it down.In the latest interim (3146), we are providing 2 different "modes" for the ASIO driver. One of the 2 modes may work better for that device.In the Audio Setup window, check the "Audio System" selection, and choose either "PortAudio" or "PortAudio (no callback)". Let me know if either of the 2 modes works better for you.Here's the link to the new installer:http://www.harrisonconsoles.com/mixbus/mb3/beta/mixbus-3.0.3146-w64-Setup.exeBest,-Ben
2016/01/15 17:57:40
Sidroe
GREAT NEWS!!!!!!! I finally got the combination to get Mixbus 3 to detect ALL 32 ins and 20 outs on 2 Studio-Captures synched together!!!! Set the setup page to PortAudio-No Call!!!! That will allow you to access all the ins and outs as in Sonar. I have been chasing this problem all day and I am glad to say that everything is ticking along fine now. I hope I haven't spoken too soon. LOL.
2016/01/15 21:31:56
kitekrazy1
Sidroe
BTW, I already contacted Harrison. All I got was a reply about isn't windows fun!!




 Typical open source developers.  I'm glad I'm far closer to reality.  They have this attitude like a pacifist nation is going to rule the world after Microsoft and Apple destroy each other. Meanwhile they are in the pumpkin patch with Charlie Brown waiting for the Great Pumpkin.
2016/01/15 23:10:58
jih64
kitekrazy1
 
 Typical open source developers.  I'm glad I'm far closer to reality.  They have this attitude like a pacifist nation is going to rule the world after Microsoft and Apple destroy each other. Meanwhile they are in the pumpkin patch with Charlie Brown waiting for the Great Pumpkin.




LOL , funny, and fairly accurate. I can remember 10+ years ago messing around with Linux for a few years, next year was always going to be the year of Linux, of course it never came, and they wondered why everyone mocked them, but didn't stop them from proclaiming the same the next year and every subsequent year, I guess they are working on if they keep saying it, it's got to  eventually happen . Unfortunately I don't think it ever will. There are a few open source programs that are ok, but for the majority, no, not when stacked up against the 'real' competition.
 
 I remember messing around with Ardour years ago, and while it has come a long way, it really hasn't compared to what is available in the commercial world. Same as Linux, a few advancements and a prettier GUI, but progress is slow. That's why it is a shame that Mixbus is based on Ardour, they would obviouosly have to wait for Ardour to do certain things, and it could be a long wait. They should have chosen something in the Windows world, and for more reasons than one would think, if you have spent any time in the Linux world, and aren't a Linux zealot you will know what I mean
 
 Unfortunately even though Mixbus is progressing, I think it's going to be a long road, it's going to be plagued by all the stuff that Linux is plagued by, just look at the VST support, it's not native to Linux and that is why it is in the state it is in Mixbus now, just look and compare to the Windows based DAW's. Even Harrisons own plugins are LV2 and not VST. As a DAW, mixbus is practically useless, unless you want to have to cherry pick your plugins, or just use Harrisons, and not be free to use whatever you like as you are in the majority of other DAW's. I recently tried it out, using it as a DAW, and just with 2 audio/guitar tracks, both with Bias Fx, and it was poping and spitting and farting to the point where it was useless, the DSP meter was going into the red, now I can and have had many more instances of BFx in projects in Studio One and Reaper, plus BFD3, heaps of other tracks with Trilian, synths, vocals, all with multiple effects applied, FX chains on the Master bus, and Studio One and Reaper and my PC don't even raise a sweat, it was similar when I was using Sonar as my main DAW before Studio One, no problems, but after updating Platinum recently to Lexington to check out the supposed performance improvements, I found it to started giving problems with spitting, popping and farting with relatively small projects, and it seems after reading the Sonar forum that I am certainly not alone. Meanwhile I can have the same projects in Studio One and Reaper expanded greatly with more tracks and plugins etc without issue, anyway.
 
 Mixbus certainly sounds good, there is no denying that, but basically all it can be used for is a big glorified channel strip of sorts, just use it for it's sound, importing your stems etc, because as a DAW or anything else, as it stands now it's useless, and comes with to many restraints and compromises to be worth putting up with, not to mention the instability when you attempt to use it for anything else. Unfortunately, considering what it is based on, and having experience in the Linux world, it's going to be a long time before Mixbus's situation changes and it is ready for prime time, but perhaps like Linux, next year might be it's year, unfortunately as with Linux, that year may also never come.
 
But as I said, it does sound good, and works well enough just importing your stems just to get 'that' sound, and at the price point, well, it's actually cheaper than a lot of channel strips.
2016/01/15 23:33:41
clintmartin
Sidroe
GREAT NEWS!!!!!!! I finally got the combination to get Mixbus 3 to detect ALL 32 ins and 20 outs on 2 Studio-Captures synched together!!!! Set the setup page to PortAudio-No Call!!!! That will allow you to access all the ins and outs as in Sonar. I have been chasing this problem all day and I am glad to say that everything is ticking along fine now. I hope I haven't spoken too soon. LOL.


Good news. I actually just logged on to make sure you were using portaudio. Other than two or 3 plugins not working, I'm really liking Mixbus. Sonar will always be my main daw, but it's nice to have Mixbus waiting in the toolbox when I want that sound. There is a setting for the VST scan (I can't remember what it's called ) which basically allows Mixbus more time to scan each plugin. That got a few more working for me. I think it was my TDR plugins that were having issues. Wish they or Toontrack would get EZ Keys to quit crashing.
2016/01/16 01:50:29
bapu
jih64
kitekrazy1
 
 Typical open source developers.  I'm glad I'm far closer to reality.  They have this attitude like a pacifist nation is going to rule the world after Microsoft and Apple destroy each other. Meanwhile they are in the pumpkin patch with Charlie Brown waiting for the Great Pumpkin.




LOL , funny, and fairly accurate. I can remember 10+ years ago messing around with Linux for a few years, next year was always going to be the year of Linux, of course it never came, and they wondered why everyone mocked them, but didn't stop them from proclaiming the same the next year and every subsequent year, I guess they are working on if they keep saying it, it's got to  eventually happen . Unfortunately I don't think it ever will. There are a few open source programs that are ok, but for the majority, no, not when stacked up against the 'real' competition.
 
 I remember messing around with Ardour years ago, and while it has come a long way, it really hasn't compared to what is available in the commercial world. Same as Linux, a few advancements and a prettier GUI, but progress is slow. That's why it is a shame that Mixbus is based on Ardour, they would obviouosly have to wait for Ardour to do certain things, and it could be a long wait. They should have chosen something in the Windows world, and for more reasons than one would think, if you have spent any time in the Linux world, and aren't a Linux zealot you will know what I mean
 
 Unfortunately even though Mixbus is progressing, I think it's going to be a long road, it's going to be plagued by all the stuff that Linux is plagued by, just look at the VST support, it's not native to Linux and that is why it is in the state it is in Mixbus now, just look and compare to the Windows based DAW's. Even Harrisons own plugins are LV2 and not VST. As a DAW, mixbus is practically useless, unless you want to have to cherry pick your plugins, or just use Harrisons, and not be free to use whatever you like as you are in the majority of other DAW's. I recently tried it out, using it as a DAW, and just with 2 audio/guitar tracks, both with Bias Fx, and it was poping and spitting and farting to the point where it was useless, the DSP meter was going into the red, now I can and have had many more instances of BFx in projects in Studio One and Reaper, plus BFD3, heaps of other tracks with Trilian, synths, vocals, all with multiple effects applied, FX chains on the Master bus, and Studio One and Reaper and my PC don't even raise a sweat, it was similar when I was using Sonar as my main DAW before Studio One, no problems, but after updating Platinum recently to Lexington to check out the supposed performance improvements, I found it to started giving problems with spitting, popping and farting with relatively small projects, and it seems after reading the Sonar forum that I am certainly not alone. Meanwhile I can have the same projects in Studio One and Reaper expanded greatly with more tracks and plugins etc without issue, anyway.
 
 Mixbus certainly sounds good, there is no denying that, but basically all it can be used for is a big glorified channel strip of sorts, just use it for it's sound, importing your stems etc, because as a DAW or anything else, as it stands now it's useless, and comes with to many restraints and compromises to be worth putting up with, not to mention the instability when you attempt to use it for anything else. Unfortunately, considering what it is based on, and having experience in the Linux world, it's going to be a long time before Mixbus's situation changes and it is ready for prime time, but perhaps like Linux, next year might be it's year, unfortunately as with Linux, that year may also never come.
 
But as I said, it does sound good, and works well enough just importing your stems just to get 'that' sound, and at the price point, well, it's actually cheaper than a lot of channel strips.


Mixbus 3 for me is NOT a DAW and probaby never will be.
 
It's is a (virtual) Harrison console and that is how I plan to mainly use it.
 
If they get the DAW aspects working, more power to them. 
 
It's a mixing and/or mastering environment for me.
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