2017/10/09 01:48:29
papawiz
a new algorithm needs to be written for the input echo button ( on side of the record button) , there is serious delays , I have tried ALL the trouble shooting there is to try, if i turn on the input echo so an artist or myself wants a little reverb coming in, or to add some compression in real-time on the input signal, there are serious delays,  the only one way is when i turn down the master fader so I don't hear the echo delay, But by doing so i cant here the reverb , there's a 2-3- second delay, and also in cakewalk notes they explain it but does no good,  i have tried all the latency , and interface trouble shoots, Bottom line there needs to be a new algorithm written ESPECIALLY for this problem alone, 
its okay to record dry and add reverb or compression or 3rd part plugins after u have your track recorded, but i can not add reverb or compression from inside sonar IN REAL TIME RECORDING on the input signal ( instrument or vocals) does anyone know how to solve this issue or have ran into this problem????
Thanx 
Wiz
2017/10/09 10:56:54
gustabo
You're experiencing latency. Without system info, audio interface and driver mode, hard to help you.
Hopefully you aren't using your internal soundcard and not using ASIO4ALL and expect everything to be right.
2017/10/09 13:24:53
scook
In addition to audio interface settings, there may be some plug-ins adding to the problem. The easy test for this is bypassing all plug-ins using the FX button in the Mix Module. If the problem goes away, it is plug-in related. The PDC button in the Mix Module may help.
2017/10/09 20:48:06
papawiz
thank you guys, I have tried the bypass and FX button and the input echo is still there, I have tried EVERY latency setting, its not plugin related, i have tried not loading no plugins at all on a vocal track, turn on the input echo and the delays happen again.
PC info::: windows 8.1
intel i3-3240 CPU @ 3.40GHZ ( the problem is still there on my i7 windows 10 also)
64x Bit
RAM::6.00GB
interface im using is the UR-22 by stienberg, (have  the same issues with UR-44, apollo, and presonus interfaces, ) and I have tried all latency settings
anything else i can try??
Wiz
Thanx 
2017/10/09 21:02:45
abacab
Hard to believe that you are getting a 2-3 second delay.  That's like 2000 - 3000 msec, which does seem excessive. 
 
Are you using the ASIO driver that came with the interface?  What is the reported ASIO Total Roundtrip in the Sonar driver settings?
 
 
2017/10/09 21:04:58
scook
I think what you are describing as "input echo" is the result of mixing the direct monitoring and with the signal being recorded at the same time. This is confusing because there is a function called "input echo" supplied by the DAW. If you want to monitor using the "input echo" buttons in the DAW, turn off direct monitoring in the interface. The time difference between direct monitoring and monitoring through the DAW is a function of the ASIO buffer settings. Chances are the best settings on the interfaces that you have are ~128 buffers somewhere around 7ms. Mixing both the direct signal and the signal being recorded in the DAW will always result in a mix with a slight delay. Otherwise, use direct monitoring for the signal going into the DAW and monitoring playback only from the DAW.
2017/10/09 23:45:02
papawiz
yes the input echo next to the record button, theres no way to turn off direct monitoring from the interface on the UR-22
 
yes im using ASIO drivers, that came, but since updated but still ASIO
still delay issues ,  sonar still should be able to turn one off?? cause only thing i got recording in the DAW is vocals from the UR-22, the direct signal is the mic, and the signal being recorded by the DAW should not give me a delay. 
2017/10/10 00:47:49
scook
There is a Mix knob on the UR-22 to control the ratio of input (IOW direct signal) to DAW signal sent to the interface outputs. Since the direct signal goes directly to the interface outputs SONAR cannot control that feature of your interface.
2017/10/12 00:12:52
papawiz
oh i see thank you, so if u use the UR-22 and want to add reverb on the input track inside sonar i have to leave off the input echo button then ? and just record dry vocals.
cause i hooked up a Presonus studio 68 interface and a Focusrite red 16 line thunder bolt, to see if i still have the same issues, and the delay is still there, 
all i was trying to do was see a way to record vocals in realtime with a little reverb already on the input audio track (vocal) by using the reverb on the input track inside sonar, ( i turned down / muted the master fader and the delay went away but cant hear the reverb,
well i have tried 4 interfaces on 3 different computers, and the issue is still there, wish they write a new algorithm just for this issue, 
2017/10/12 00:16:36
abacab
Maybe you need one of these ... zero latency monitoring!
 
https://www.uaudio.com/au...s/apollo-twin-usb.html
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