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2017/10/15 15:21:50
AdamGrossmanLG
Hello,
 
I am trying to find a way to make this easy but not sure if I can.
 
So I have 9 notes in both phrases, however you can see the notes are different.  Right now all the notes are velocity 100.  As you see on the left, I drew in some velocity changes.  How can I get those velocity changes on the next phrase to the right without changing the notes?
 
I tried Groove Quantizing by copying the first set of notes to the clipboard, then hilighted the 2nd bunch of notes, and processed the Groove Quantize on them from the clipboard, but nothing changed.
 

 
 
Thank You!
 
2017/10/15 15:56:27
AdamGrossmanLG
So I think my problem here is that Groove Quantize is not working.
 
I copied the part to the left into the clipboard.  I then select the phrase to the right, apply groove quantize from clipboard and nothing happens.
2017/10/15 17:51:37
Anderton
AdamGrossmanLG
So I think my problem here is that Groove Quantize is not working.

 
Groove Quantize works just fine. As long as your default position is "SONAR has a bug," then you will never find the solution when SONAR doesn't have a bug. I assume you didn't try to learn about how the function works, but instead wanted the function to work the way you expected it to, and it didn't. Therefore you assumed Groove Quantize didn't work.
 
I hadn't tried what you described, but was curious if maybe you actually had found a bug. So, I clicked the dialog box's Help button  and learned how Groove Quantize worked. 
 
The four blue notes on the left are the original notes, which I copied to the clipboard in order to do groove quantizing. The four green notes are the ones I entered. The four red notes on the right are copies of the green notes, with groove quantizing applied.
 

 
So, groove quantizing works.
2017/10/15 18:31:58
AdamGrossmanLG
Hi Craig,
I did not jump to it being a bug.  It's just not working.  Not working could also indicate user error.  Not working can be caused by a bug, a user error or by design.
 
Sorry for the confusion.
 
Anyway, I tested what you did on a different midi track and it works.   I originally thought it was because you had the same notes.  But then I changed 1, and still it worked, however it doesn't work on the patterns in my image above.
 
Now that I am following the same steps on one midi track and it works, then using the same steps on my original track and it doesnt work, I would think user-error could be eliminated from the equation, but I am open to it.
2017/10/15 18:40:31
AdamGrossmanLG
Hi Craig,

I think I actually DID find a bug.
I think it may have to do with 16th notes.  Can you try the following?
 
1.  Draw in the 16th notes in the picture below including the velocity changes in the first measure.  (keep the velocity consistent in the 2nd measure).
2.  Copy the first measure into the clipboard (CTRL+C)
3.  Select the the 2nd measure only and choose "Groove Quantize"
4.  Make sure Clipboard is the source, the resolution is 1/16, and that velocity is up to 100% in the dialog window, then hit OK.
5.  You should see NO velocity changes made to the 2nd measure
 

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To prove the bug:
 
 
1.  Draw in the quarter notes in the picture below including the velocity changes in the first measure.  (keep the velocity consistent in the 2nd measure).
2.  Copy the first measure into the clipboard (CTRL+C)
3.  Select the the 2nd measure only and choose "Groove Quantize"
4.  Make sure Clipboard is the source, the resolution is 1/16, and that velocity is up to 100% in the dialog window, then hit OK.
5.  You should see now see the problem.  It works fine except for 16th notes.
 

 
Bug?
 
2017/10/15 18:59:32
AdamGrossmanLG
Anderton, please tell me if I found a bug.
 
in the meantime, this CAL program will do I guess.  
--------------------------------------------------------
 
 
(do
(int counter 0)
)
(do
(if (== Event.Kind NOTE)
(do
(switch (% counter 8)
0 (= Note.Vel 91)
1 (= Note.Vel 66)
2 (= Note.Vel 91)
3 (= Note.Vel 69)
4 (= Note.Vel 85)
5 (= Note.Vel 69)
6 (= Note.Vel 91)
7 (= Note.Vel 66)
8 (= Note.Vel 90)
)
(++ counter)
)
)
)
2017/10/15 19:11:11
Anderton
AdamGrossmanLG
Anderton, please tell me if I found a bug.

 
No.
 
Same deal as before in the image below, but with 16th notes: blue notes original, green notes copy of notes with velocity set to constant, red copy of green with Groove Quantize from blue notes applied. I don't know what you're doing wrong. 
 

2017/10/15 19:22:49
AdamGrossmanLG
Very interesting.
 
I will have to play around more.
 
I obviously know how to use Groove Quantize given that I got it to work for the quarter notes.
 
Thanks for testing along with me!  I will report back here.
2017/10/15 19:31:30
AdamGrossmanLG
Here is a video of what I am doing.
 
Please tell me at what step I am doing something wrong.  
 
Much appreciated.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB7lejG7R_8
 
2017/10/15 19:32:24
AdamGrossmanLG
Well scratch that... the video capture software doesnt work well with Sonar open i guess..
 
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