Hello my friends:

Recently I noticed if I play a sound on a Keyboard and use the pitch bend wheel, the effect persists.
For example: Yesterday I was attempting to add some realism to a bass part and so for a note, I reach for the wheel, the problem is, it just never goes away.

Everything I play sounds like a vibrator effect.

Change the instrument, turned off and on the Keyboard but still have the problem. I did not close Sonar.
This only happens when I use the pitch wheel. 

The only other thing this annoying is having a gnat or mosquito flying next to your ear at the park that wont go away.

Anybody knows what's causing this?

Specs:
Sonar Platinum with latest update. 
MOTU MIDI Express 128 USB
RME UFX PLUS

Thanks

Record a quick take and check the event list. From what you have posted it is possible your keyboard is not returning to zero properly. I am not sure which controller you are using, but "most" calibrate on startup. If you cycle the pitch wheel, then turn on the controller does it persist? SONAR's event list is your best guide for what is happening.

I assume this is a MIDI track. Just open the controller pane in the PRV and see what the status of the wheel is. Because SONAR backtracks to pick up the last controller value, starting playback after a pitch wheel change will result in the last wheel value being re-applied. That's why I always make a point of inserting a 0-value pitch wheel event after each wheel movement.
 
The other possibility is that there's a problem with the pitch wheel itself. It is a mechanical device, and may contain two potentiometers that can get dirty or scratched on their resistive strips. Try recording a track without touching the wheel and then check the PRV or the Event List to verify that there are no wheel events. If there are, it could be your controller that's at fault.

May be I think in the wrong direction, but...
 
Pitch Bend Wheel supposed to shift the pitch, the hardware controller normally return it to zero when you no longer touch it. Even in case it is not at zero, it just creates "out of tune" sound.
 
What normally creates "vibrato" is the Modulation Wheel. It is physically "in the near" (or even combined) with the Pitch Ben Wheel. But in many cases it does not return itself to zero.
 
In the Even List, Pitch Bend Wheel produce special "Pith Bend" events. The  Modulation wheel produce "Controller Changes (CC)" number 1 events.

Have you looked at your pitch bend wheel and does it return to the zero setting, usually the center of the wheel?  If not the return springs may be broken or weak.
 
If your softsynth has a mod wheel vibrato setting you should use that, other wise you have to use the pitch bend wheel.

bitflipper
I assume this is a MIDI track. Just open the controller pane in the PRV and see what the status of the wheel is. Because SONAR backtracks to pick up the last controller value, starting playback after a pitch wheel change will result in the last wheel value being re-applied. That's why I always make a point of inserting a 0-value pitch wheel event after each wheel movement. 

Interesting, I will take a look.
 

bitflipper
The other possibility is that there's a problem with the pitch wheel itself. It is a mechanical device, and may contain two potentiometers that can get dirty or scratched on their resistive strips. Try recording a track without touching the wheel and then check the PRV or the Event List to verify that there are no wheel events. If there are, it could be your controller that's at fault.

You speak like a true engineer. :)
I am using the Yamaha Montage 8, and I agree; it could be mechanical but given the keyboard is about a month old, I am thinking it's configuration related. But Hardware failures are not impossible, even for new instruments.
 

mettelus
Record a quick take and check the event list. From what you have posted it is possible your keyboard is not returning to zero properly. I am not sure which controller you are using, but "most" calibrate on startup. If you cycle the pitch wheel, then turn on the controller does it persist? SONAR's event list is your best guide for what is happening.

I am not at the computer now but will soon.

And also, recently, I made a change to Sonar, under Project --> MIDI, I unchecked the box which Zero Controllers.
I unchecked the box because, each time I set a volume on a track, then stop a song, the volume goes right back to loud. This was driving me crazy. The issue went away when I unchecked the box. Do you think this is related?
 

azslow3
Pitch Bend Wheel supposed to shift the pitch, the hardware controller normally return it to zero when you no longer touch it. Even in case it is not at zero, it just creates "out of tune" sound.
 
What normally creates "vibrato" is the Modulation Wheel. It is physically "in the near" (or even combined) with the Pitch Ben Wheel. But in many cases it does not return itself to zero.
 
In the Even List, Pitch Bend Wheel produce special "Pith Bend" events. The  Modulation wheel produce "Controller Changes (CC)" number 1 events.

You are correct, I am using the MOD wheel, however, on most Keyboards, this is combine: For example: On Korgs, and Roland the Back and Front direction causes the Mod or vibrator effect, and the Left/right affects the Pitch.

I used the term Pitch simply because it is the most popular reference to this control/device.

Sorry for the confusion.

MarioD
Have you looked at your pitch bend wheel and does it return to the zero setting, usually the center of the wheel?  If not the return springs may be broken or weak.
 

 
You know, bitflipper mentioned the same thing above, it is actually the MOD wheel not the pitch wheel. I am using the Yamaha Montage 8 and the Mod wheel does not have a Spring. I have to also confess, I have never used a keyboard with a separate wheel for MOD, are they supposed to have springs? I know the pitch does.
 

MarioD
If your softsynth has a mod wheel vibrato setting you should use that, other wise you have to use the pitch bend wheel.

Sorry I should have been more descriptive. I am not using a soft synth. All hard ware synth with the Montage as a Master Controller.

No, mod wheels don't typically have return springs. Mine does, but it's not typical.
 
My same advice applies, though. Given the newness of your keyboard, I'd move failure of the controller way down the list of suspects (although assembly issues do occur on new stuff; it's why I'm reluctant to buy new cars). But mod (CC1) events will show up in the PRV too, so you can determine whether the controller is not returning to zero. If you can manually set the CC1 value to zero in the PRV and the vibrato persists, then there's a problem with the soft synth.

bitflipper
No, mod wheels don't typically have return springs. Mine does, but it's not typical.
 
My same advice applies, though. Given the newness of your keyboard, I'd move failure of the controller way down the list of suspects (although assembly issues do occur on new stuff; it's why I'm reluctant to buy new cars). But mod (CC1) events will show up in the PRV too, so you can determine whether the controller is not returning to zero. If you can manually set the CC1 value to zero in the PRV and the vibrato persists, then there's a problem with the soft synth.

Yeah, this is what I have discovered, the Vibrato does not go away even when there is no Vibrato on the track.
Another annoying thing is that the Montage MOD Wheel does not have a spring and so you have to try to get it to center of bring it all the way down.

I am using the Montage to play Sounds from the Integra 7 and other Hardware Synth.

If I play the keyboard, I hear the Vibrato. However, If I record and play back, no vibrato.
So this is occurring while I record and play but not after I have recorded a MIDI track and playback.

It is the most annoying thing.
 
I am going to post in the Yamaha Synth forum and see what they say.

Thank you for responding.

UPDATE:
Hello everyone: 
I need to update you on this issue.
 
I contacted Yamaha, I mean when you pay $4000 for a Keyboard someone better answer the phone. 
Unfortunately, this issue has nothing to do with the Montage.

I was able to isolate the problem to the Roland Fantom XR and the Roland Integra 7. 
I closed Sonar and connected the controller directly to the Modules, bypassing the MIDI interface and the problem persisted, confirming this had nothing to do with Sonar. I also tried a different controller and the problem persisted.

I contacted Roland this morning and was able to solve the problem on the Integra but still working on the Fantom.

The problem arises when the Channel After Touch is set to on on the Integra. Any patch played will have a Vibrato or pitch bend like effect. Luckily, this is a per channel function, not global, and so I was able to turn it off and the problem stopped on the Integra.

Importantly, this happens based on how hard you hit the keys, the harder you hit, the more it sounds vibrato like.

Now the same features are on the Fantom but I do not know how to turn this off, the guy from Roland was helping me but he did not know how to do it either and so he has promised to call back.

This has been dreadful for me, really killed my creativity.

On the Montage, I turned off the function to Transmit Channel After Touch but it does not work, you have to turn it off on the Part/channel in the Source Machine.

I will let you all know how things turn out.


Thanks everyone.