I wouldn’t give up on aftertouch, it can be really useful though it does take some practice to get used to controlling it. What aftertouch controls is usually a setting for each patch in a synth that can use it. Usually found in the modulation matrix.

As for combined pitch and mod joysticks, I gave up on them years ago because I found it almost impossible to send just pitch bend or modulation. I much prefer two separate wheels, with the mod wheel unsprung so it stays where I put it. That way I can add mod wheel and let go of the wheel so my left hand can do something else without the mod wheel dropping back to zero. On synths without much instant access to parameter controls it’s less important, but on synths like the MS-20 or Moogs where each knob has a function and all functions have a knob being able to hold a note, add mod wheel then adjust e.g. the filter is very useful.

Audioicon
The problem arises when the Channel After Touch is set to on on the Integra. Any patch played will have a Vibrato or pitch bend like effect.

On the Montage, I turned off the function to Transmit Channel After Touch but it does not work, you have to turn it off on the Part/channel in the Source Machine.

 
If you release the keys, aftertouch should return to zero. If this is not the case, any sound responding to aftertouch cannot know you have released the keys and will continue modulating.
 
Record MIDI with your Montage's aftertouch turned on and then look at the recorded aftertouch events.
If they are not returning to zero, your Montage has a problem

jpetersen
Record MIDI with your Montage's aftertouch turned on and then look at the recorded aftertouch events.
If they are not returning to zero, your Montage has a problem

Hey there.


This is not a Montage problem. Because I turned off Transmit After Touch and the annoying Vibrato is still there.
As I mentioned previously, I also tried other Controller and even closed Sonar and Connected Directly to the Devices, like the old days.

After touch is great, but sometimes I do not need it, I believe Roland's motives are about creating realism but I should determine that.

To me it's likes Windows shutting down or running updates, obviously you can turn it off but I like to make that decision.

Thanks for responding, I appreciate the input.

tlw
I wouldn’t give up on aftertouch, it can be really useful though it does take some practice to get used to controlling it.

 
Agreed! But for this particular part, I did not need it and could not play the part, because every time I try to play something, it just gets in there, like an annoying classmate or relative.

tlw
Record MIDI with your Montage's aftertouch turned on and then look at the recorded aftertouch events.
If they are not returning to zero, your Montage has a problem.

The Montage does allow you to turn off After Touch per PART but doing this did not solve the problem. On the Fantom XR, this Vibrator like sound is built into the patch wav settings.

tlw
As for combined pitch and mod joysticks, I gave up on them years ago because I found it almost impossible to send just pitch bend or modulation. I much prefer two separate wheels, with the mod wheel unsprung so it stays where I put it. That way I can add mod wheel and let go of the wheel so my left hand can do something else without the mod wheel dropping back to zero.

 
The Montage does have two separate wheels and the MOD wheel does not have a spring.

What I also discovered is that this incident or feature is exclusive to the Roland, as I do not get this issue playing the MOTIF or MOTIF ES.

Thanks my friend.

Aha! Aftertouch from a completely different synth...that was going to be my next guess. Not!
 
Aftertouch is pretty cool, and one justification for spending big bucks on a high-end synth in the first place. But jpeterson's correct: if you're not playing a note on either of the Rolands, aftertouch should be reset. Do you use a MIDI multiplexer such as a MIDI Express? If so, that could solve the problem by letting you configure a setup where only the Montage is physically connected to your computer while recording MIDI from it.

bitflipper
Do you use a MIDI multiplexer such as a MIDI Express? 

Not certain, I am using the MOTU MIDI Express 128 (MIDI interface) connected to the computer.
The montage is connected to one of it's input.

In the Integra 7, you can turn off Channel After Touch per MIDI channel, so if you do not need it on a part, just turn it off.
However, on the Fantom XR, this effect like sound, is set into the Sound Wave it self. You have to go into the Patch turn it off then save the patch.

Roland has placed this on most of the Bass Guitars, well at least in my Integra 7 and Fantom XR.

Even in Sonar the Record After Touch is set to off by default and you can turn it on, this explains why I can her after touch but it does not record with a MIDI track.

This thing sound like Auto Pitch Bend  for some sounds, like a Bird crying for mom. Most annoying sound.
Lastly, the Fantom Vibrato was set to zero, which is why I was lost.

This thread on the Roland forum has similar issues, closely related to mine.
http://forums.rolandclan....p?t=23386&p=140131

By the way, I only purchased this Montage for the Key bed, it was either the Montage or the Kawai VPC1.

That post discusses velocity split and keyboard split, not aftertouch.
If you are not prepared to record the output of the Montage, you will not know if it's issuing aftertouch or not.
 
>>The Montage does allow you to turn off After Touch per PART but doing this did not solve the problem.
 
That is because you are turning off aftertouch response of the Montage's internal sound engine. 
You need to turn aftertouch off what it sends out as a master keyboard.
 
>>Roland has placed this on most of the Bass Guitars, well at least in my Integra 7 and Fantom XR.
 
I have the Integra-7. Which specific bass guitar sound has this vibrato?
 
 

>> Another annoying thing is that the Montage MOD Wheel does not have a spring
>> and so you have to try to get it to center of bring it all the way down.
 
The pitch wheel should be in the center and the mod wheel should be all the way down.
If you press down hard on the keys, then reduce pressure, does the amount of vibrato change?

jpetersen
That post discusses velocity split and keyboard split, not aftertouch.
If you are not prepared to record the output of the Montage, you will not know if it's issuing aftertouch or not.
 
>>The Montage does allow you to turn off After Touch per PART but doing this did not solve the problem.
 
That is because you are turning off aftertouch response of the Montage's internal sound engine. 
You need to turn aftertouch off what it sends out as a master keyboard.
 
>>Roland has placed this on most of the Bass Guitars, well at least in my Integra 7 and Fantom XR.
 
I have the Integra-7. Which specific bass guitar sound has this vibrato?

I am using the Montage as a Master Keyboard/Controller and so I am not playing it's internal Sound.
All I can definitively say is that when I play any Bass Instruments or mostly Guitar, I get this strange pitch shift like sound from the Roland. Yes, this happens based on how hard I am hitting the keys.

In the Montage, Per Yamaha, I have Zone Master On. There is a Zone Transmit, which allows you to set what MIDI messages are being sent to the Source Per Part. In the Edit Part --> Common, I can set every MIDI message for each part being communicated.

In a nutshell, none of this work.


Which is Why I used other Controllers with direct connections (No Soft/MIDI Interface) and the same problem exists.
In the Integra, I simply turned off Channel After Touch for the Part I want to play and this problem goes away.
Do you have Channel After Touch on? If so try playing something like a Bass Guitar.

I just want to make music with the limited time I have, sometimes too much gets in the way. :)

Thanks my friend.

>> Yes, this happens based on how hard I am hitting the keys.
 
Not how hard you are hitting, that's velocity. How hard you are pressing down after you hit. That's aftertouch.
Based on your forum thread you quoted, I'm not sure you understand the difference.
 
>> Do you have Channel After Touch on? If so try playing something like a Bass Guitar.
 
Yes. I have gone to Tone Finder, E.Bass tab and tried a bunch. None react to aftertouch.
The Integra-7 has hundreds of bass sounds. Give me a specific one that's troubling you.