tonyzub999
Well I'm the original poster. So, first, how is the quality of the 480 IRs? I have to admit that plug in reverb is one of those areas that I think most plug ins are lacking. From what I heard online, the Verbsuite from Slate sounds really good.

I have several nice Lexicon outboard boxes, the PCM 80 and PCM 90, TC Electronics etc. I started with tape, then went ADATs, then dedicated hard disk recorder, with analog and digital boards and now PC only, so in the box mixing is a little new.

Contrary to the conclusions of some posters, I am anything but a nube. I have been with Cakewalk since it was a midi sequencer only, but was playing, recording and mixing before that. My brother had a studio in the 70s.

In addition to my home project studio I ran FOH on a Midas board in the largest mega church in a large metro area for 10 years where we typically averaged 5000+ on weekend in a 2000 seat venue. I mixed for quite a few major record label artists and bands who performed there and have many thank you notes from pros in my studio.

So this is my rather long winded way to say thanks to those who gave helpful advice (and there have always been many of you over the years on this forum). I have learned from many of you. It's always a good idea to get advice from other knowledgeable people even if you have to put up with a few arrogant clowns who may not be as smart or as good as they think they are.

I'm sorry if you thought I was calling you a newb, in fact I was not. If you read my words correctly I said I didn't know if you were or not. I perhaps aimed my answers at newbs, because you didn't say your level of proficiency. If you had said...you'd been around the block, I would have been less inclined to help. Furthermore, confidence is often mistaken for arrogance...it would be good if those who didn't understand interpersonal intelligence, and for those who have none...to look wisely at their words and realize it is their lack of self-awareness that creates the confusion in regards to arrogance and confidence. All great men and woman have doubts...otherwise they would not be great. And geniuses will have a 1000 ideas to a mere mortals 1...but not every idea is genius! Think Edison, who in his life held I think over a 1000 patents, but is mainly remember for the light globe and possibly stealing from Tesla :).
 
Your opening comment about virtual verbs not being possibly as good as the real thing is somewhat correct, but only because a) you possibly don't understand binaural diffusion :), and b) time based delay effects require both 64bitfp and Sonar's oversampling. As the delay or verb fades, without both 64bitfp and oversampling you will hear graininess in the final part of the tale. True story. The quality of the verb plug is important too, the overloud stuff is all right for general work horse stuff...so I like to use these verbs as SFX type verbs...like for my silly voices ;). However, they're not good enough for use as a main verb. Perfect Space is still by far the best verb offering Cake use to include with Sonar. Not sure if it is still included, but even though I have Wave's Abbey Road plate verb, which by the way blows the competition out of the water, and is simple to use, and I also have Wave's convolution verb...Perfect Space still gets used...I love it for outdoor simulation and the spring settings.
         

Thanks, have you tried the H-Verb? Waves rep told me it was their closest plug to the Lexicons. I listened to a couple of YouTube postings on it, but still come away unsure. The best thing I have heard online (which is not exhaustive) was the Verbsuite from Slate. But it was hyped pretty hard so I'm still a little uncertain. Like I said, going fully in the box is new. My previous process was hybrid, i edited in the box then mixed analog, including EFX back to the hard disk recorder.

BenMMusTech
 
 
Your opening comment about virtual verbs not being possibly as good as the real thing is somewhat correct, but only because a) you possibly don't understand binaural diffusion :), and b) time based delay effects require both 64bitfp and Sonar's oversampling. As the delay or verb fades, without both 64bitfp and oversampling you will hear graininess in the final part of the tale. True story. The quality of the verb plug is important too, the overloud stuff is all right for general work horse stuff...so I like to use these verbs as SFX type verbs...like for my silly voices ;). However, they're not good enough for use as a main verb. Perfect Space is still by far the best verb offering Cake use to include with Sonar. Not sure if it is still included, but even though I have Wave's Abbey Road plate verb, which by the way blows the competition out of the water, and is simple to use, and I also have Wave's convolution verb...Perfect Space still gets used...I love it for outdoor simulation and the spring settings.
         

I don't think anyone made a notion about virtual verbs and "the real thing"
 
A comment was made about in the box vs hardware.  And Hardware is nothing more than a computer processor, which are generally speaking usually antiquated processing by todays standards (when we are talking about boxes that were invented decades ago).  Many in the box reverbs are certainly as capable.  
 
Perfect Space is 32bit only and I don't think is part of the package anymore.  Since it is a convolution based IR interface, may other convolution hosts do the same thing.  If you look in your folders you will see the wav files for the perfect space IRs, you can load these into a different player and see if you think that Perfect Space itself was the treasure of if it was the IRs they included.  (maybe even load them into Rematrix - which is the convolution host in SPLAT)
 
As for me, I'm not using 32bit unless forced to.
 
(and I have Abbey Road Plates also - a very good plate emulator and also processor hungry)

tonyzub999
Thanks, have you tried the H-Verb? Waves rep told me it was their closest plug to the Lexicons. I listened to a couple of YouTube postings on it, but still come away unsure. The best thing I have heard online (which is not exhaustive) was the Verbsuite from Slate. But it was hyped pretty hard so I'm still a little uncertain. Like I said, going fully in the box is new. My previous process was hybrid, i edited in the box then mixed analog, including EFX back to the hard disk recorder.

H-Reverb is good, though fairly process intensive.  If you plan to use it across your tracks, you will likely have to "print/freeze" your tracks.
 
I'd recommend trying out the demo of this to see what you think:
https://valhalladsp.com/shop/reverb/valhalla-vintage-verb/
 
Full version is only $50, and is highly praised by many reverb nuts.  
 
Lexicon also actually makes a Reverb plugin suite, though it is a bit pricy compared to some other option on the market.

tonyzub999
Well I'm the original poster. So, first, how is the quality of the 480 IRs? I have to admit that plug in reverb is one of those areas that I think most plug ins are lacking. From what I heard online, the Verbsuite from Slate sounds really good. 

Try the 72 synthetic IRs I created for the April 2015 update. They aren't like any other impulse responses because they didn’t come from the real world, but were synthesized with a combination of pink noise, DSP, and automation. There are 36 idealized reverb impulses, and 36 reverse reverb impulses. They're pretty much my go-to for vocals these days, as well as percussion.

Brian Walton... and Roger Nichols than it is the tools used. 

yeah remember the mess when he tried getting into the world of plugins!

Thanks Craig, Where do I find them?

tonyzub999
Thanks Craig, Where do I find them?

 
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They were part of the April 2015 update.

Unclear to me ... nothing showing for the yr. 2015 in My Account > Products.
A link would be awesome. TY!