2015/12/22 10:44:32
kakku
Moshkito
Hi,
 
I think it depends on the situation.
 
I'm not looking for attention, but letting people know it's there is not asking for attention ... it mostly just an awareness thing, letting people know it's there if they are interested sometime.
 
I come from a literary huge thing, and I don't want to be a part of it, because there were way too many saidistic mofo's involved that were not pleasant to deal with, and we're still dealing with removing those leeches from our scalps ... but, in general, if the material is good, and has its points and abilities, I sincerely doubt that many folks will fail to get a look at it, and learn something. With one huge exception. Today, with the Internet, the literary side of things is more difficult and the cynicism involved in many of these boards, makes it difficult to define/appreciate those who are good, from the rest. And it all becomes a "favorite", which is not quite exactly the standard for good, bad or best and a hit. It does help.
 
For a long time, in the early days of the Internet/Media, doing some alarming things were just what the doctor ordered. For example, some film makers would do this or that and when it would be released the Catholic Church would open its mouth and that move would get a million people watching it. And this finally hit its zenith, when they went after "Deep Throat" and it became one of the first videos ever made and it sold millions, for a very badly made (and cheap!) film in the first place, but this was the nature of the Church then, and it still does this with Abortion and other events. It's a way to put their name on the front page! And your song, too!
 
Generally, for me, I do not go out and look for support or to be "published" or to get annointed as one of the club and a good writer. I think I'm OK, maybe better than average, but I lack the skills to make that decision, and evaluate things better all around. I do film/music reviews as a way to explain to myself, why I see things so differently, because discussing it with folks next to me, is a dead end ... always has been ... different languages!
 
All in all, it depends on what you want. But i am not sure that anyone can stop a piece that is very well written from not being heard and appreciated. But I am starting to think that too many of these "music" websites, are just more nobodies ... no one ever comes out of them ...
 
The best, for me so far? The Ygdrasil Journal of Poetic Arts ... like 25 years on, and I was there the first 10 years, and it is now catalogued in the Canada's National Library ... and we were so out there and open about poetry and what we did, that many folks, in alt.poetry and the like were intimidated by us ... because we were not topical ditties that meant nothing but a little fun!
 
I think that's the main difference!

Thank you for huge piece of info and opinions and more.
2015/12/22 11:15:37
Moshkito
kakku Tip from Mr. Dan Cumpian, do not send unfinished works and do not say they are unfinished. That is a , well, a sure way to not get comments if one starts telling about some unfinished job or if it sounds unfinished. At least usually, there are some exceptions I now do not remember.

 
I disagree ... from a different point of view.
 
In your area, songs, this is a problem as people end up, inadvertantly, taking advantage of your work, or vice versa. However, and literature is a good example, there are many stories about a lot of sharing (minds and bodies, too!) that ended up in very creative efforts, and these pieces were not finished at the time, and they became finished later ... and it is still unclear how much was taken from the fun and experiences and vice versa. The times and stories of Anais Nin, Henry Miller and June also fit here, as do many others over the years.
 
The big issue, is that today, everyone is afraid to be ripped off, and in my book this is more because their work is less different than anything else out there, than otherwise. But, in the US, the camaraderie to share experiences and work, died many years ago within the commercial attitudes and calls, through out the whole day in your life. You are a subject to that economy, and you are trapped in it.
 
The music scene in Germany in the 60's and early 70's is another example, where the friendships helped create something new.
 
Getting comments is not the issue ... you and I having the ability to be open minded and appreciate the comments is a whole different other story. It's hard to accept a lot of comments here when most folks are here just for the fun and the beat-off! There is no artistic thought behind it all, and finding work behind it, sometimes is weird ... same person? Makes it harder to accept a comment!
2015/12/22 11:20:07
bapu
Moshkito
Hi,
 
I think it depends on the situation.
 
I'm not looking for attention, but letting people know it's there is not asking for attention ... it mostly just an awareness thing, letting people know it's there if they are interested sometime.
 
I come from a literary huge thing, and I don't want to be a part of it, because there were way too many saidistic mofo's involved that were not pleasant to deal with, and we're still dealing with removing those leeches from our scalps ... but, in general, if the material is good, and has its points and abilities, I sincerely doubt that many folks will fail to get a look at it, and learn something. With one huge exception. Today, with the Internet, the literary side of things is more difficult and the cynicism involved in many of these boards, makes it difficult to define/appreciate those who are good, from the rest. And it all becomes a "favorite", which is not quite exactly the standard for good, bad or best and a hit. It does help.
 
For a long time, in the early days of the Internet/Media, doing some alarming things were just what the doctor ordered. For example, some film makers would do this or that and when it would be released the Catholic Church would open its mouth and that move would get a million people watching it. And this finally hit its zenith, when they went after "Deep Throat" and it became one of the first videos ever made and it sold millions, for a very badly made (and cheap!) film in the first place, but this was the nature of the Church then, and it still does this with Abortion and other events. It's a way to put their name on the front page! And your song, too!
 
Generally, for me, I do not go out and look for support or to be "published" or to get annointed as one of the club and a good writer. I think I'm OK, maybe better than average, but I lack the skills to make that decision, and evaluate things better all around. I do film/music reviews as a way to explain to myself, why I see things so differently, because discussing it with folks next to me, is a dead end ... always has been ... different languages!
 
All in all, it depends on what you want. But i am not sure that anyone can stop a piece that is very well written from not being heard and appreciated. But I am starting to think that too many of these "music" websites, are just more nobodies ... no one ever comes out of them ...
 
The best, for me so far? The Ygdrasil Journal of Poetic Arts ... like 25 years on, and I was there the first 10 years, and it is now catalogued in the Canada's National Library ... and we were so out there and open about poetry and what we did, that many folks, in alt.poetry and the like were intimidated by us ... because we were not topical ditties that meant nothing but a little fun!
 
I think that's the main difference!



 
Pedro,
 
The guy asked how to get more comments on
HIS SONGS
2015/12/22 11:34:24
jamesg1213
Moshkito
Hi,
 
I think it depends on the situation.
 
I'm not looking for attention, but letting people know it's there is not asking for attention ... it mostly just an awareness thing, letting people know it's there if they are interested sometime.
 
I come from a literary huge thing, and I don't want to be a part of it, because there were way too many saidistic mofo's involved that were not pleasant to deal with, and we're still dealing with removing those leeches from our scalps ... but, in general, if the material is good, and has its points and abilities, I sincerely doubt that many folks will fail to get a look at it, and learn something. With one huge exception. Today, with the Internet, the literary side of things is more difficult and the cynicism involved in many of these boards, makes it difficult to define/appreciate those who are good, from the rest. And it all becomes a "favorite", which is not quite exactly the standard for good, bad or best and a hit. It does help.
 
For a long time, in the early days of the Internet/Media, doing some alarming things were just what the doctor ordered. For example, some film makers would do this or that and when it would be released the Catholic Church would open its mouth and that move would get a million people watching it. And this finally hit its zenith, when they went after "Deep Throat" and it became one of the first videos ever made and it sold millions, for a very badly made (and cheap!) film in the first place, but this was the nature of the Church then, and it still does this with Abortion and other events. It's a way to put their name on the front page! And your song, too!
 
Generally, for me, I do not go out and look for support or to be "published" or to get annointed as one of the club and a good writer. I think I'm OK, maybe better than average, but I lack the skills to make that decision, and evaluate things better all around. I do film/music reviews as a way to explain to myself, why I see things so differently, because discussing it with folks next to me, is a dead end ... always has been ... different languages!
 
All in all, it depends on what you want. But i am not sure that anyone can stop a piece that is very well written from not being heard and appreciated. But I am starting to think that too many of these "music" websites, are just more nobodies ... no one ever comes out of them ...
 
The best, for me so far? The Ygdrasil Journal of Poetic Arts ... like 25 years on, and I was there the first 10 years, and it is now catalogued in the Canada's National Library ... and we were so out there and open about poetry and what we did, that many folks, in alt.poetry and the like were intimidated by us ... because we were not topical ditties that meant nothing but a little fun!
 
I think that's the main difference!




 Merry Christmas Pedro.
2015/12/22 11:59:36
kakku
bapu
Moshkito
Hi,
 
I think it depends on the situation.
 
I'm not looking for attention, but letting people know it's there is not asking for attention ... it mostly just an awareness thing, letting people know it's there if they are interested sometime.
 
I come from a literary huge thing, and I don't want to be a part of it, because there were way too many saidistic mofo's involved that were not pleasant to deal with, and we're still dealing with removing those leeches from our scalps ... but, in general, if the material is good, and has its points and abilities, I sincerely doubt that many folks will fail to get a look at it, and learn something. With one huge exception. Today, with the Internet, the literary side of things is more difficult and the cynicism involved in many of these boards, makes it difficult to define/appreciate those who are good, from the rest. And it all becomes a "favorite", which is not quite exactly the standard for good, bad or best and a hit. It does help.
 
For a long time, in the early days of the Internet/Media, doing some alarming things were just what the doctor ordered. For example, some film makers would do this or that and when it would be released the Catholic Church would open its mouth and that move would get a million people watching it. And this finally hit its zenith, when they went after "Deep Throat" and it became one of the first videos ever made and it sold millions, for a very badly made (and cheap!) film in the first place, but this was the nature of the Church then, and it still does this with Abortion and other events. It's a way to put their name on the front page! And your song, too!
 
Generally, for me, I do not go out and look for support or to be "published" or to get annointed as one of the club and a good writer. I think I'm OK, maybe better than average, but I lack the skills to make that decision, and evaluate things better all around. I do film/music reviews as a way to explain to myself, why I see things so differently, because discussing it with folks next to me, is a dead end ... always has been ... different languages!
 
All in all, it depends on what you want. But i am not sure that anyone can stop a piece that is very well written from not being heard and appreciated. But I am starting to think that too many of these "music" websites, are just more nobodies ... no one ever comes out of them ...
 
The best, for me so far? The Ygdrasil Journal of Poetic Arts ... like 25 years on, and I was there the first 10 years, and it is now catalogued in the Canada's National Library ... and we were so out there and open about poetry and what we did, that many folks, in alt.poetry and the like were intimidated by us ... because we were not topical ditties that meant nothing but a little fun!
 
I think that's the main difference!



 
Pedro,
 
The guy asked how to get more comments on
HIS SONGS

Well the first idea was to get to know more tips selfishly but I believe it changed to an unselfish goal after a short while.
2015/12/22 12:19:49
Beagle
Kakku, also take into consideration the advice you accept.  some people give advice when they have no experience whatsoever with the subject.  
2015/12/22 12:20:41
bapu
Beagle
Kakku, also take into consideration the advice you accept.  some people give advice when they have no experience whatsoever with the subject.  


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2015/12/22 12:30:48
kakku
Beagle
Kakku, also take into consideration the advice you accept.  some people give advice when they have no experience whatsoever with the subject.  

I will try. Thanks for the tip.
2015/12/22 15:14:17
craigb
Beagle
Kakku, also take into consideration the advice you accept.  some people give advice when they have no experience whatsoever with the subject.  




THEY DO??? 
 

2015/12/27 10:54:40
kakku
One clarification I need. Is it OK if I put up one tune now that it has been almost a week when I last put up a tune, exactly 5 days? Or should I still wait for two days so that I don't make a mistake again?
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