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2013/12/28 11:26:11
Hill62
I think you are getting good advice to distinguish some of the guitar parts in particular.
This mix is very close to where it needs to be to get the layers complimentary IMHO.
Great song, really enjoyed it! Listened to it a few times. Looking forward to the next mix.
2013/12/28 13:43:49
kev11111111111111
Nice song with good dynamics.The production reminded me off Radioheads Pablo Honey,especially the guitar sound. Not sure I have any criticisms of the mix. Maybe sometimes the vocal sounds a bit too dry and upfront ? I would put some reverb or delay on it and maybe make it wider. Other than that,I really liked this song and mix.Happy New Year !! 
2013/12/28 13:54:31
chrisby
speedtom
I like the song, particulary the chorus! In regards to the sound, my little critique would be the drums...I mean, they sound okay, but too much of a drum machine. besides, I like your style, guitar sound and vocals, really nothing nothing to complain. The structure with the big chorus combined with big guitars is just my style!


Thanks! Sorry for the late reply...  I have family in  town.... Definitely an issue I always have with the drum parts. Unfortunately they take the longest practically for me to get done and still no way to hide that it's midi (at least not at my skill level). The few tracks I've got done in the past all seem to suffer from that. I  guess that's the downside of recording in a condo and not really knowing any real drummers. Anyway, thanks again for the comments! 
2013/12/28 14:02:27
chrisby
dcumpian
 

chrisby
dcumpian
The tone of the mix is pretty good, I like the guitars. There are two things I would suggest:
 
1) Add some separation to the various guitars. They currently share much of the same tone and get sort of squashed together. Some of that is being caused by the compression, of course, but I'd suggest making each guitar part sound a bit more unique unless you are layering to beef up a single part.
 
2) I'm hearing a touch of distortion on the vocals.
 
Regards,
Dan
 


Thanks for the input and taking the time to listen...  So by separation you're meaning tonally? Not in the stereo or eq field (which I guess is sort of tone)? The three guitar sound heard on their own actually do sound quite different but maybe that's just not coming through for some reason.  The main two parts are by a bright jag and a heavier/more distorted lp. Though neither are the "real deal"  so maybe that has something to do with it.... 
 
Ps - just tried to check out your tune from today but can't from tablet for some reason (but will later when I get home)...  I miss Hawaii, lived there a few years ago.... 




Those differences aren't coming through, and I'm listening on pretty good cans. How many guitar parts are there altogether? Maybe some spatial separation would help.
 
Don't worry about "real deal" or not; you can do a lot in the mix to make anything sound good if it is played/recorded well. I like what I'm hearing, it just isn't very clear what each guitar is doing, if you can understand that better. :)
 
Regards,
Dan
 
 
 
 

Got it (I think). Obviously from the other comments it seems to be a definite issue so thanks again for pointing it out. I had had more stereo seperation of the guitars originally but then running them all through a common reverb bus brought them back to the middle a bit I remember and I never readjusted. I'll revisit that during the next week (I have family in town until then) and put up another mix.  Again,  really appreciate you takingtime to comment! 
 
Oh yeah,  three guitars...  Two pretty constant and the most heavy distorted one only coming in occasionally. 
2013/12/28 14:08:32
chrisby
Hill62
I think you are getting good advice to distinguish some of the guitar parts in particular.
This mix is very close to where it needs to be to get the layers complimentary IMHO.
Great song, really enjoyed it! Listened to it a few times. Looking forward to the next mix.


Thanks! Yeah, as I  mentioned above I have house guests at the moment but will remix over the next week. I plan on just panning the guitars a bit more so hopefully that will bring them out / distinguish them more. Thanks again for checking it out and glad you liked it! 
2013/12/28 14:20:28
chrisby
kev11111111111111
Nice song with good dynamics.The production reminded me off Radioheads Pablo Honey,especially the guitar sound. Not sure I have any criticisms of the mix. Maybe sometimes the vocal sounds a bit too dry and upfront ? I would put some reverb or delay on it and maybe make it wider. Other than that,I really liked this song and mix.Happy New Year !! 


Happy new year to you too and thanks for the comments. Agree about the vocals. That was one thing that really stuck out more on my home system vs my monitors. I plan on doing more mixing next week (house guests at the moment) and will jump between the two systems and see if I can get a happy medium on the vocal levels. In terms of "making it wider" is that done through reverb and/or delay?
 
Thx... and glad you liked it!
2013/12/28 15:47:33
speedtom
chrisby
speedtom
I like the song, particulary the chorus! In regards to the sound, my little critique would be the drums...I mean, they sound okay, but too much of a drum machine. besides, I like your style, guitar sound and vocals, really nothing nothing to complain. The structure with the big chorus combined with big guitars is just my style!


Thanks! Sorry for the late reply...  I have family in  town.... Definitely an issue I always have with the drum parts. Unfortunately they take the longest practically for me to get done and still no way to hide that it's midi (at least not at my skill level). The few tracks I've got done in the past all seem to suffer from that. I  guess that's the downside of recording in a condo and not really knowing any real drummers. Anyway, thanks again for the comments! 


I am suffering from the same "illness", it is hard to get that great drum track from computers. It got a bit better for me since I own Jamstix, but it is still not the real deal...but I am getting there!
2013/12/29 07:08:48
kev11111111111111
chrisby
kev11111111111111
Nice song with good dynamics.The production reminded me off Radioheads Pablo Honey,especially the guitar sound. Not sure I have any criticisms of the mix. Maybe sometimes the vocal sounds a bit too dry and upfront ? I would put some reverb or delay on it and maybe make it wider. Other than that,I really liked this song and mix.Happy New Year !! 


Happy new year to you too and thanks for the comments. Agree about the vocals. That was one thing that really stuck out more on my home system vs my monitors. I plan on doing more mixing next week (house guests at the moment) and will jump between the two systems and see if I can get a happy medium on the vocal levels. In terms of "making it wider" is that done through reverb and/or delay?
 
Thx... and glad you liked it!




Hi !
To make the vocal wider 
 
1 Clone the vocals twice
2 Nudge the clone copies by 10 ms forward (so they play 10ms after the original vox)
3 De tune the copies by a couple of cents
4 Pan them left and right to get the desired width
5 Maybe EQ each clone differently. Take of some of the highs from one of the clones,boast the mids in another. Try to create a stereo image.
 
Have fun :-)
 
2013/12/29 10:29:38
jamesg1213
I like the guitar tones, really nice. The guitars are treading on the vocals here and there though, I would spread them out wider to give the lead vocal some space. Good song too btw.
2013/12/30 04:02:02
chrisby
kev11111111111111
chrisby
kev11111111111111
Nice song with good dynamics.The production reminded me off Radioheads Pablo Honey,especially the guitar sound. Not sure I have any criticisms of the mix. Maybe sometimes the vocal sounds a bit too dry and upfront ? I would put some reverb or delay on it and maybe make it wider. Other than that,I really liked this song and mix.Happy New Year !! 


Happy new year to you too and thanks for the comments. Agree about the vocals. That was one thing that really stuck out more on my home system vs my monitors. I plan on doing more mixing next week (house guests at the moment) and will jump between the two systems and see if I can get a happy medium on the vocal levels. In terms of "making it wider" is that done through reverb and/or delay?
 
Thx... and glad you liked it!




Hi !
To make the vocal wider 
 
1 Clone the vocals twice
2 Nudge the clone copies by 10 ms forward (so they play 10ms after the original vox)
3 De tune the copies by a couple of cents
4 Pan them left and right to get the desired width
5 Maybe EQ each clone differently. Take of some of the highs from one of the clones,boast the mids in another. Try to create a stereo image.
 
Have fun :-)
 




 
Thanks for the tips. Definitely needs something on the "dooot dooo dooot dooo" part but couldn't get it to sound good so will give this a try for sure. Thanks.
 
In my head I'd liked to have had a sort of Bilinda Butcher (My Bloody Valentine) female harmony going for that part but don't know any singers, plus it's just for fun anyway. But I'll definitely give your suggestion a go. Thanks again!
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