... double post, ooops

jamesg1213
I like the guitar tones, really nice. The guitars are treading on the vocals here and there though, I would spread them out wider to give the lead vocal some space. Good song too btw.

Thanks! And yeah, that's my plan at this point... 1) separating the guitars, 2) less compression on the whole mix, 3) work on the vocals. Thanks for the input, comment, and listening....

And thanks to everyone that commented. By the time it got to where it is I think I'd lost all objectivity and the input provided was pretty much along the lines of what I'd expected (actually not near as critical... kind of thought I was further off than it sounds like I am maybe). Anyway, now I have a plan of attack....

chrisby
 
 
Thanks for the tips. Definitely needs something on the "dooot dooo dooot dooo" part but couldn't get it to sound good so will give this a try for sure. Thanks.
 
In my head I'd liked to have had a sort of Bilinda Butcher (My Bloody Valentine) female harmony going for that part but don't know any singers, plus it's just for fun anyway. But I'll definitely give your suggestion a go. Thanks again!

 
just for the fun of it...if you like to have a female backing vocal, why not experiment with some formant changing plug-ins? there are some free pitch-correcting plug-ins, like the kerovee, which have presets like "male to female" and female to male".
 
these effects can be fun to mess around a bit, but I must stress out that they will surely not work for a lead vocal, but maybe for backing vocal mixed way down to hardly audible!

speedtom

chrisby
 
 
Thanks for the tips. Definitely needs something on the "dooot dooo dooot dooo" part but couldn't get it to sound good so will give this a try for sure. Thanks.
 
In my head I'd liked to have had a sort of Bilinda Butcher (My Bloody Valentine) female harmony going for that part but don't know any singers, plus it's just for fun anyway. But I'll definitely give your suggestion a go. Thanks again!

 
just for the fun of it...if you like to have a female backing vocal, why not experiment with some formant changing plug-ins? there are some free pitch-correcting plug-ins, like the kerovee, which have presets like "male to female" and female to male".
 
these effects can be fun to mess around a bit, but I must stress out that they will surely not work for a lead vocal, but maybe for backing vocal mixed way down to hardly audible!

yeah, I actually did give that a go with the Melodyne formant tool but didn't really get such good results. I didn't give it a whole lot of effort though honestly and basically just tried to apply it to the existing track. I though about maybe redo-ing it with some softer less "manly" (for lack of a better term) takes to see what happens. I have a good bit to tweak over the next week or two with all the other suggestions but might revisit this as well. Actually kind of busy time at work presently so hope to have some time in the evenings....
 
Again, thanks for the suggestions, would you think I would get much different results from kerovee vs Melodyne?

Very nice number indeed!  Great vocals, performance, and arrangement on this.  This number presents a lot of emotion and from my stand point I wouldn't do much to affect the general tone or arrangement.  It has a nice sort of introspective or melancholy sound that the single vocal portrays nicely.  You got lots of good advice above and I would agree with maybe trying to separate the guitars out a bit so that the vocals come out a bit more. 
I really like this!

Freddy J
Very nice number indeed!  Great vocals, performance, and arrangement on this.  This number presents a lot of emotion and from my stand point I wouldn't do much to affect the general tone or arrangement.  It has a nice sort of introspective or melancholy sound that the single vocal portrays nicely.  You got lots of good advice above and I would agree with maybe trying to separate the guitars out a bit so that the vocals come out a bit more. 
I really like this!

Thanks! And thanks for taking the time ti listen/comment. It great to get all the advice (really) but also great to hear someone likes the song. Most songs I do (the few I finish) seem to live and die in a vacuum so glad you liked it! Thanks again!

Good tips from everyone here, My initial thoughts were that everything seemed to overlap a little too much. By that I mean every instrument including the vocals need their own place in the stereo field and well as front to back. You can achieve this with different EQ spaces and bringing instruments to the front or sending them to the rear as they come into or out of focus in the song. Volume automation is a simple but very effective way of doing this.

rebel007
Good tips from everyone here, My initial thoughts were that everything seemed to overlap a little too much. By that I mean every instrument including the vocals need their own place in the stereo field and well as front to back. You can achieve this with different EQ spaces and bringing instruments to the front or sending them to the rear as they come into or out of focus in the song. Volume automation is a simple but very effective way of doing this.

Thanks... yeah, I've been trying to get the sounds more separated but it seems that if I make it more clear on speakers it starts sounding weird in phones. I have made some changes, especially in the outro, but they are not super major as the more I pushed it the more other weirdness started coming in. I'll probably have an updated version up in a few days. Basically it's a learning experience and unlike my usual MO I'm going to start another right away so hopefully the I can carry some of the lessons forward and get it closer next time. 
 
Again, thanks for listening and especially for taking the time to comment...

The guitars seemed to close together. Almost mono (to my ears).
 
The vox seem kinda megaphone sounding. Maybe that's what you wanted?
 
I did like the song.

bapu
The guitars seemed to close together. Almost mono (to my ears).
 
The vox seem kinda megaphone sounding. Maybe that's what you wanted?
 
I did like the song.

 
Thanks! Yeah, the vox is on purpose. I'm definitely no singer.... as far as the spread of the guitars in the stereo field I did finally work something out last night. Probably a very novice mistake but not something I'd realized until trying to get better separation. Long story short I have sort of a "global reverb" bus that everything runs through. I was running the mono guitar tracks to that bus but then losing a lot of the pan control. A simple solution was to run the mono signals to a stereo "guitars" bus and then send that to the reverb bus. I had a bunch of vol/pan automation I need to redo but it does seems to give a lot better control of the separation (and a little less control on the reverb send amount, but a lot less critical).
Anyway, I have a new version uploaded with other changes but hope to have a better one with the guitars more separated out up in a few days. Again, thanks to all for the input/help....