2015/12/25 23:25:28
mixmkr
So...I've had this demo for quite a bit...and the others too.  Basically since the plate version came out.  I like this the best.
Here's what's happening...  I can just slap it on a FX buss and it works great.  Basically no tweaking. Maybe the tail length a little.   However, I put a variety of different reverbs, and although NONE (to me) sound as good initially, I can tweak them, use EQ, etc and they can come very close for my needs.  For that reason, I'm cheap and haven't spent the $50 bucks.  Also because I'm buying other stuff and the wallet can endure so much....and another reverb is a whole topic.
People rave about this reverb.  I like it...but in a mix, the others seem to be cutting it.  What gives?  Bad ears,..?.. Valhalla just sounds too good out of the gate?,...I'm trying to convince myself??  IDK...I think I should just blow the 50 bucks and be done with it...
Then...what to buy next!!! :-D
2015/12/26 00:07:39
Richard Cranium
mixmkr
 IDK...I think I should just blow the 50 bucks and be done with it...




That's your answer right there, there will be no regret.
 
mixmkr
 
Then...what to buy next!!! :-D


 
The supply is endless, if you don't know now, just look a bit harder or wait a little longer . . . it's just around the corner.
2015/12/26 11:54:09
bitflipper
I am a longtime fan/proponent of VRoom, and more recently, VPlate. But let me try and set the rah-rahs aside and put it into practical perspective.
 
It basically comes down to the length of the reverb tail and how up-front the effect is. The shorter the decay, the less difference you notice from one reverb to the next. The louder the wet signal, the more differences you become aware of. The brighter the wet signal, the more likely you are to hear artifacts in less-capable reverbs.
 
 
Many of VRoom's rave reviews come from guys who love to drench spacey, ambient electronica in lush reverb. That's a demanding test because the effect is front and center. VRoom does well in that scenario, holding its own against far more expensive alternatives. For many, that's enough justification to hand over the fifty bucks.
 
But ambient electronica isn't my thing. Sure, sometimes a lead instrument benefits from a long, juicy reverb tail. More often, my goal is to make the reverb transparent. By "transparent", I don't mean inaudible. I mean the effect fattens the sound but the listener can't actually point to the reverb as the reason for the fattening. The more subtle the effect, the less obvious the advantages of one reverb over another.
 
At some point between in-yer-face and a whisper of air, it won't matter anymore which reverb you're using. But with VRoom you don't worry about where that cutoff is, because you'll know it'll do fine at any point along that continuum.
 
 
2015/12/26 12:36:27
mixmkr
thx Bit. That clarifies much.  I totally agree with you thoughts and personally, sometimes I like to totally immerse a solo instrument in the Taj Mahal. That's why I was saying that in a mix, the choices aren't so important, but more so, Valhalla sounds so good immediately without doing much at all, if any tweaking.  And yes, I've been struggling more when I have that totally soaked instrument and end up searching for something with a convolution type reverb usually.  When it IS "front and center", it's a hard task.  I've found with the demos of Valhalla...I just use it.
I think when the wife is calmed after the holidays, I'll move on it.  I just got her two nice winter coats and a nice Christmas, so I'm on her good side (which I'm usually on 100% anyway! )
2015/12/26 12:46:21
BassDaddy
Thanks Bit! That was a great short course on verb. My biggest problem with the Vroom and Vplate is they are right in the $50 area where because they are cheap for a good reverb I don't prioritize them and When there's nothing else I'm saving for I don't have $50. Too cheap to get in a hurry and no sales don't knock me off the fence and too expensive when all I have is chump change.
2015/12/26 13:58:12
mixmkr
BassDaddy
Thanks Bit! That was a great short course on verb. My biggest problem with the Vroom and Vplate is they are right in the $50 area where because they are cheap for a good reverb I don't prioritize them and When there's nothing else I'm saving for I don't have $50. Too cheap to get in a hurry and no sales don't knock me off the fence and too expensive when all I have is chump change.


+1
2015/12/26 14:09:04
clintmartin
Yes, since it will never go on sale...what's the hurry? You may try that new free u-he protoverb.
https://www.u-he.com/cms/179-protoverb
2015/12/26 20:01:58
sharke
A little off topic, but I have found that calculating decays so that they're done before the onset of the next beat goes a long way to making reverb work better in a mix. So work out how many ms in one beat of your tempo and set the decay to that, subtracting any predelay you have from the decay time. Of course rules are there to be broken but especially where busier mixes are concerned, this works pretty well for me.
2015/12/26 20:48:41
mixmkr
great tip sharke.  I keep meaning to print out a tempo versus milliseconds...for delay repeats, etc.  But I always just twiddle till it sounds good.
2015/12/26 21:32:39
bitflipper
I do that, too, but not with a calculator. No, I'm not going to claim to be able to do it by ear all the time. If I ever had golden ears, they've been long gone since sometime in the 90's.
 
Fortunately, a close examination of any percussive or vocal waveform will easily tell you if the reverb tail is too long, because you can literally see the hits/phrases running into one another. Not so easy to do on a non-percussive track such as a synth pad, but those aren't critical anyway.
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