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2015/11/25 14:23:26
Ham N Egz
Lets examine those  "mic modelers" that have come before this one
the Antares, which Larry mentioned, all with all due respect to him, was snake oil
the Waves Kings Microphone really?
Slate has his mic modeler thing but it couples with a real mic..
 
so you can model a hardware compressor/eq/fx cause there is a certain amount of control over the  range 1s and 0s or AC fluctuating signals going thru said real hardware with relation to the modeling..
 
microphones, on the other hand .. so you model the frequency and plot of a highly prized German mic.
with what audio source?
 
I have an 18 y/o chick singer in the studio, or the Bass singer from the Oak Ridge Boys, or a mixed choir, yadda yadda yadda..so I engage the "model" hows it better with my particular source than the Bluebird mic I picked for the singer?
 
Just call me a grumpy old man who is jaundiced
2015/11/25 14:51:01
cclarry
Isn't ALL of this just "snake oil"?
 
These plugins, while "close" are no where near what the REAL deal is...
Amp sims are nowhere NEAR what the real deal is...
Console Emu's are nowhere NEAR what the real is...

It's all basically "snake oil"...the question is...does it come close
and make the sound better...

I say it it does...I've used it...

Is it going to turn your AT 2020 to a Neuman?  Nope...but it will 
sorta make it sound like it...just like the Marshall 900 Amp Sim is 
going to "sorta" make it sound like it...

That's all I'm saying...
2015/11/25 14:55:47
IK_Multimedia
Ham N Egz
Slate has his mic modeler thing but it couples with a real mic..

Mic Room for T-RackS couples with multiple real mics too.  You can use an affordable mic like iRig Mic Studio, or any of the modeled microphones' real-world counterparts (a couple/few are reasonably-priced home studio staples).  Even buying ours or one of the reasonably-priced mics we've modeled + Mic Room at $69.99 will set you back a lot less than the grand the option you mention would.
 
Of course many people would rather have a mic that costs thousands of dollars, and we're certainly not going to replace the massive mic lockers at studios across the world but Mic Room can be an excellent tone-shaping tool for a pretty reasonable price.

Just call me a grumpy old man who is jaundiced

If your skin is unnaturally yellow, you should really see a doctor about that! :)
2015/11/25 15:04:54
cclarry
That's how Mic Modeler EFX works also..
 
You select your SOURCE real world mic...and then your 
OUTPUT "Modeled" Mic..

Same concept....
2015/11/25 15:32:34
Ham N Egz
IK_Multimedia
Ham N Egz
Slate has his mic modeler thing but it couples with a real mic..

Mic Room for T-RackS couples with multiple real mics too.  You can use an affordable mic like iRig Mic Studio, or any of the modeled microphones' real-world counterparts (a couple/few are reasonably-priced home studio staples).  Even buying ours or one of the reasonably-priced mics we've modeled + Mic Room at $69.99 will set you back a lot less than the grand the option you mention would.
 
Of course many people would rather have a mic that costs thousands of dollars, and we're certainly not going to replace the massive mic lockers at studios across the world but Mic Room can be an excellent tone-shaping tool for a pretty reasonable price.

Just call me a grumpy old man who is jaundiced

If your skin is unnaturally yellow, you should really see a doctor about that! :)


rather than Jaded? I guess green is prettier ....
 
I have an eye thingy mic I may look into this then ...
 
2015/11/25 15:36:52
batsbrew
......of the very few things that i consider 'sacred',
MICS would be one of them.
 
this is where the magic actually happens.
 
not in the mix....
 
out in the room, what happens, comes into the mic pure and simple.
 
the mic, is the lowest common denominator.
 
anybody that tells you that the magic can happen AFTER the mic...
 
AFTER the fact....
 
is pitching snake oil.
 
IMHO 
 
that all said...
 
if it sounds good, it is good. 
 
2015/11/25 16:55:31
BassDaddy
bitflipper
Some of you may be old enough to remember a wacky product that used to be hawked on late-night TV, a plastic magnifier you attached to the front of your television to make it look bigger.
 
That's what comes to mind when I think about "microphone modelers".


It's the Ron Popiel Pocket Mic Modeler. "It puts hair on your vocals". When you open up the box it's a can of that baldo, spray on hair. Now I'm just playing around ubiquitous IK guy, I have no reason to think yours isn't a fine product.
2015/11/25 17:18:32
cclarry
batsbrew
......of the very few things that i consider 'sacred',
MICS would be one of them.
 
this is where the magic actually happens.
 
not in the mix....
 
out in the room, what happens, comes into the mic pure and simple.
 
the mic, is the lowest common denominator.
 
anybody that tells you that the magic can happen AFTER the mic...
 
AFTER the fact....
 
is pitching snake oil.
 
IMHO 
 
that all said...
 
if it sounds good, it is good. 
 



Actually not always the case...that's the reason so many go to GREAT EXTREMES to
eliminate the ROOM...so they can add that later...that's the intent of a vocal booth...
eliminate the room sound...

And usually the magic IS the mic...it's combination of well designed circuits and/or tubes
and the way the dia-frag-me is done...all play a roll...

Then you add the preamps, the consoles, the outboard effects...and that's when the magic
happens.  The BEST thing is to have a GOOD CLEAN TRACK from the start...

But, yes...if it sounds good, it's good...
2015/11/25 18:32:59
yorolpal
One fellers snake oil is quite often just not being able to hear subtle differences. Sometimes very subtle. But that's what makes a horse race. And, of course, it's also true that quite often that ol emperor is as neckkid as a jay bird. Pick em.
2015/11/25 18:37:17
bitflipper
Thinking of going into politics, ol' pal?
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