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2017/10/04 20:28:25
azslow3
lfm
But what would benefit Sonar for sure - make VST midi plugins load in MFX slots - just like DX and VST audio plugins load in audio track plugin slots.

Yes. But...
 
Following IMHO (at the level of speculations) comes from:
* DX and VST use quite different approaches with MIDI. VST "quantize" MIDI at audio buffer borders and work with "raw" MIDI messages. DX has artificial quantization which unavoidable introduce logical bugs (original design problem) and works with "aggregated" MIDI events ( so "Note On + Note Off -> Note + duration"). (DX also use raw messages for live processing since "duration" is obviously not known)
* internally Sonar works with MIDI in DX framework and just "export" into VST like domain at the very end. Indirect proves: MFX is DX only, some bugs (Yamaha sustain, playback buffer influence on skipped notes, etc.) can only exists in DX way, Lyrics/Text directly accessible in MFX "as is"
 
So a major change in sonar engine is required, in the part which was not really touched since many many years (developers? licenses?). An attempt to make "aux" like dirty hack can break much more then related Audio functionality, for which Sends exist from the beginning (so corresponding machinery was foreseen).
 
I hope CW will do this one lucky day. I mean rewrite MIDI engine. I guess everything appear "at once" then: MIDI VST, audio like routing flexibility, absolute time MIDI events locks, updated staff and lyrics views, etc. That can also lead to "negative" changes: discarded DX/MFXes (no more TTS-1 ??), broken CAL scripts ...
 
2017/10/05 08:16:09
taccess
azslow3
lfm
But what would benefit Sonar for sure - make VST midi plugins load in MFX slots - just like DX and VST audio plugins load in audio track plugin slots.

Yes. But...
 
Following IMHO (at the level of speculations) comes from:
* DX and VST use quite different approaches with MIDI. VST "quantize" MIDI at audio buffer borders and work with "raw" MIDI messages. DX has artificial quantization which unavoidable introduce logical bugs (original design problem) and works with "aggregated" MIDI events ( so "Note On + Note Off -> Note + duration"). (DX also use raw messages for live processing since "duration" is obviously not known)
* internally Sonar works with MIDI in DX framework and just "export" into VST like domain at the very end. Indirect proves: MFX is DX only, some bugs (Yamaha sustain, playback buffer influence on skipped notes, etc.) can only exists in DX way, Lyrics/Text directly accessible in MFX "as is"
 
So a major change in sonar engine is required, in the part which was not really touched since many many years (developers? licenses?). An attempt to make "aux" like dirty hack can break much more then related Audio functionality, for which Sends exist from the beginning (so corresponding machinery was foreseen).
 
I hope CW will do this one lucky day. I mean rewrite MIDI engine. I guess everything appear "at once" then: MIDI VST, audio like routing flexibility, absolute time MIDI events locks, updated staff and lyrics views, etc. That can also lead to "negative" changes: discarded DX/MFXes (no more TTS-1 ??), broken CAL scripts ...
 


I hope cakewalk does update the midi engine then, because being able to load a VST into MFX or introducing midi sends/midi patch points and having the “new”midi engine in a state of “repair” to roll with the monthly updates now “freely being able to “add even more is well worth the negatives changes, by FARrrrrrrrr.
Also I am sure there has to be another way regarding these or any changes in cakewalk, hitting brick walls is the reason to climb them or break through or simply go around them, that’s what I have to do every day of my whole life so I hope this is what cakewalk does for us users “first” if this is what is needed. There is to much to offer or introduce into Sonar right now and what those things are will not land on there lap magically, there are new languages being written there are programs and apps which may benifit specific companies when combined with existing applications and it vital to be on the look out and be forward thinking in there field this is exactly how Microsoft was made and this is what companies are doing right now to turn there companies into something greater.
It is also vital to not let anything stop cakewalk storming forward be it coding updates with negative changes, or licence/s or finances when times are tough push back harder then ever and work harder than ever and those times and feelings are what get etched into the soul of Sonar and its users.
2017/10/05 18:33:42
bapu
whitejs
The rest makes you look shallow
 


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