2015/12/10 12:05:30
Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
Thanks everyone for posting comments and concerns.
 
Ultimately I'm not sure it's something we can actually enforce simply do to the fact that, other then database admins, nobody can read other's private messages. In other words, who is to say whether or not something was sent in a PM or not? Adding it to the TOS/CoC wouldn't result in any action since nobody could really confirm what was fact.
 
Beyond that, we really can't prevent anyone from copying / pasting contents of their inbox, even with a disclaimer. Fact of the matter is that information can easily be shared and often is.
 
With that being said, while I do agree with the general sentiment that private messages should be kept private, I'd discourage anyone from sharing personal or potentially discriminating information with anyone on the internet. 
2015/12/10 12:13:33
sharke
I would have no problem posting the contents of an abusive or threatening PM, if only to expose that forum user. But with anything else it just feels like common courtesy to keep it private. I don't see any need for a rule however - it seems like the kind of issue that could be resolved by mature adults if a problem arose. 
2015/12/10 12:13:50
Rimshot
Right Ryan. 
The point being that those that think it's OK to copy from a PM need to read somewhere that it is not OK. Then, when the forum hosts are made aware of an incident, they have the backing to respond in kind.
2015/12/10 12:22:40
bapu
Susan G
Hi-
 
If I got an abusive PM



Can you please post it so we can vote on its relative abusiveness?
2015/12/10 12:58:51
Ham N Egz
bapu
Susan G
Hi-
 
If I got an abusive PM



Can you please post it so we can vote on its relative abusiveness?


One persons abuse may be anothers'  pleasure,, yes?
2015/12/10 13:10:34
jbow
Well that certainly should be understood. It should be considered to be common courtesy if it is opinion or personal. I'd think if it something technical, then there shouldn't be a problem helping someone else with it but I guess even if posting something like that, it should, out of courtesy be asked and answered by the other in the PM. The P in PM still means "private" correct?
Manners should apply, you are correct in any case.
Some things you just never see coming.
 
Julien
2015/12/10 14:38:22
drewfx1
I can't see why having the words "respect other's privacy" in the TOS would be any kind of a problem.
2015/12/10 17:37:57
craigb
I would prefer that nobody (male or female) shares their PMS on the forum. 
2015/12/11 03:22:57
SongCraft
drewfx1
 
I can't see why having the words "respect other's privacy" in the TOS would be any kind of a problem.


    
+1 Agree.
PM (Private Message) is meant to be 'private' for many reasons: Anyone with harmful intent can very easily distort the facts, or use as a means to blackmail. Imho anyone engaged in making a PM public without consent should be banned because it's obviously an abuse of privacy. Regarding technical support? In this case usually the sender and recipient will consent, though not always. Sometimes technical issues require sensitive information, that should be kept private. 
          
Receiving threats via private message should be reported to the administrators, on other forums I have participated on the administrators are clear about this, my wife and I have seen people get banned. Serious offenders are likely to be reported to the appropriate authorities. Private messaging, Emails and phones (and texting) are common avenues for abuse. . . if you received a threat or scam then of course it should be reported.
             
Over the past 20 years my wife and I had experienced all sorts forum issues of such as:
  • Received threats, then immediately reported it to police.
  • Received a message from fake collections, we reported it to the police.
  • Unauthorized use of copyrighted works, a "Cease and Desist" resolved that.
  • Our private conversations made public without consent. That issues was resolved quickly.
  • Added two members to block-list because they 'yet again' engaged in bigotry, politics and posturing with intent to derail my topic.  Explained to them that the topic was really important regarding a worthy cause.
  • My wife and I always include a disclaimer (privacy) Emails and PM, which is a lawful and common formality. No conspiracy, nothing to get hot under the collar about. It's just a formality.
  • Again, had content of private message posted on the forums without consent. This was done with intent to distort the truth.
  • Two members after knowing they were added to block-list had a hissy-fit openly on the forums... boo hoo ... They then proceeded to dig up dirt along with wild accusations, their motive is evident in this case, (sour-grapes added to block-list).
  • Claims that I made threats? Not true. If need be, my wife and I will include disclaimers in private messages, a formality. If a member indeed made threats to anyone, then this is reason enough to be banned. No one was banned because it did not happen.       
Unfortunately, Cakewalk forums are not immune to such behaviors.  I tried to keep the peace by posting "Agree to Disagree" and "No Politics Please," though this (my) attempts to keep the peace doesn't always work. After repeated derailments of my topics I finally drawn the line, I'm human, I shouldn't have to be repeatedly subjected to lies, bigotry, politics and posturing, surely reason enough to be upset, that's why I posted: I'm leaving. This topic is a rare exception because I felt the need and right to share my experience based on facts. Seriously, I get no thrills with hopping on that popcorn wagon, and often in other circumstances I'm concerned for the welfare of others. That is when I draw the line.

From at least two years ago I considered having nothing more to do with 'any' forums (and F/book). My family is close knit, caring and I spend a lot of time with them, I also need to allocate time making music. This year I made great connections with labels, radio stations, TV hosts and publicists, I have recently received offers and basically I have a lot of goodies on my plate to consider. I don't hold grudges against anyone here. Surely it's fair to my share my thoughts and move along, and I apologize to anyone I may have unintentionally dissed off. I never meant to harm, I'm human, and I'm certainly not perfect. The Coffee House is full of nonsensical (humorous, fun), that's okay. There are many great people on the Cakewalk forums, I wish you all good health and contentment.  All the best!
2015/12/11 08:53:44
Guitarhacker
The better advice might be to think twice before you send anything by any means.
 
It's been said that once posted to the net, it never goes away. So use discretion and common sense when writing and take the time to read the comment several times before you click SEND. Once sent, it's too late.
 
Too many times to count, I have written something and after reading it a few times, I have highlighted it, and clicked delete.
 
Some times, the best reply is to NOT REPLY at all.
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