2017/05/11 19:31:42
Agentcalm
Hi Ab....guys
Sorry for the delay but I am having a nightmare with this crowd.  They are not replying to emails and not really helping at all.     I have found some new info however.    The brain (circuit board) is made by Arduino and i found on their web site that you need to download something called an IDE in order to upload programs to the brain.    So i got this downloaded.
Now...  I have now been able to open the brains current settings using this app.
The 6 pads are currently set to  60..61...62..63....64...65     It then says in brackets  mIDI notes from 0 to 127.   Mid C = 60      So i guess this is some kind of progress.  If I could now find what to change these to I can upload it to my new drum kit.
Does anyone know which is middle C when looking at PRV?  
I looked in SD3 and my kick drum is C3   snare is  D3     toms are D4  B3  and F3  
I can pick say a crash cymbal which is A4       That's 6 items.     Are these midi notes or just the position of them in PRV?   I opened midi event viewer to try get more info but it doesnt give anything extra.      I feel Im sort making some kind of progress here. 
Thanks for the screenshots by the way.   My screen is different but i did find that Key+ function you mentioned. 
thanks guys      In future I'll just but the dang thing in a store. 
 
2017/05/11 19:47:07
abacab
Agentcalm
Hi Ab....guys
Sorry for the delay but I am having a nightmare with this crowd.  They are not replying to emails and not really helping at all.     I have found some new info however.    The brain (circuit board) is made by Arduino and i found on their web site that you need to download something called an IDE in order to upload programs to the brain.    So i got this downloaded.
Now...  I have now been able to open the brains current settings using this app.
The 6 pads are currently set to  60..61...62..63....64...65     It then says in brackets  mIDI notes from 0 to 127.   Mid C = 60      So i guess this is some kind of progress.  If I could now find what to change these to I can upload it to my new drum kit.
Does anyone know which is middle C when looking at PRV?  
I looked in SD3 and my kick drum is C3   snare is  D3     toms are D4  B3  and F3  
I can pick say a crash cymbal which is A4       That's 6 items.     Are these midi notes or just the position of them in PRV?   I opened midi event viewer to try get more info but it doesnt give anything extra.      I feel Im sort making some kind of progress here. 
Thanks for the screenshots by the way.   My screen is different but i did find that Key+ function you mentioned. 
thanks guys      In future I'll just but the dang thing in a store. 
 


 
MIDI Note Numbers for Different Octaves
http://www.electronics.di...umbers_for_octaves.htm
 
Based on this chart, MIDI note #60 is actually C5.  That's probably two octaves too high for SD.  It probably should be starting at #36 for C3.
 
To test this theory, try transposing down in the Sonar channel inspector by two octaves, until you hit the sound you want, for example the C3 kick.
 
Once confirmed, you can calibrate your brain to send the correct numbers.
2017/05/11 19:53:58
Agentcalm
Thanks Ab.   This makes sense.   So they have their brain programmed from key 60 upwards.
As my kick drum in SD is C3 which is key 36 , I could change their number 60 to my kick 36.    This should give me a kick drum (once I save the program and upload it to the brain).    Its almost 9pm here so i dont want to annoy the neighbors.    I'll give this a try tomorrow guys.
If i get the kick sound it means Im on track.    thanks again Ab  :) 
2017/05/11 19:56:13
scook
Could also do the translation in a drum map and leave the brain at its default settings.
 
Edit: I just noticed maps were mentioned earlier. Personally, I prefer to leave hardware at default settings as much as possible.
2017/05/11 20:10:05
abacab
Here is another chart, but the octaves are shifted down from the other chart.  The octave numbers are really just relative and can vary based on the first octave referenced by a given system, which is variable.
 
The note number is what you are really after, as I always get a kick sound from SD with note #36. 
 
MIDI Note Numbers for Different Octaves
https://www.midikits.net/midi_analyser/midi_note_numbers_for_octaves.htm
 
Looks like you now have several possible solutions to your problem. 
 
Good luck and have fun!
2017/05/11 20:13:44
abacab
scook
Could also do the translation in a drum map and leave the brain at its default settings.
 
Edit: I just noticed maps were mentioned earlier. Personally, I prefer to leave hardware at default settings as much as possible.




True, but the fastest way to test this is to transpose with the channel inspector, before trying to build a permanent fix.
2017/05/11 20:21:49
scook
In that case, I would probably use the Transpose MFX. It is easier to read.
2017/05/11 21:29:57
Agentcalm
Ive never used drum maps to be honest and dont know what they do.   Someone sent me a link earlier about these and I'll definitely read up on those.   But for now I'll try use one system to configure this thing and then I'll move on to learning drums maps later. 
Ah all the fun of the fare guys. 
2017/05/12 12:00:57
tlw
Drum maps are very, very useful things.

What they do is look at an incoming MIDI note and turn it into another. So if, for example, the MIDI controller sends note 60 on channel 1 to MIDI port 2 a drum map can be used to convert that into e.g. note 36 on channel 10, MIDI port 3. Software synths/sampler inputs are MIDI ports in the same way hardware MIDI kit is.

The best way to find how they work is to create one yourself. The first one or two are likely to take a bit of time, bit once understood they are pretty straightforward and can be useful any time you need to reassign MIDI notes "on the fly". An example of why this is useful outside just drums is that what some systems/synths call C1 others call C0 which means their notes disagree by an octave unless corrected in either direction so they end up the same. Roland and Yamaha back when MIDI was new can be blamed for the two different octave numbering systems if I remember correctly. Similarly, some companies number MIDI notes and continuous controller data 0-127 and others 1-128.

Trying to get a MIDI controller to work and route its output to where you want it really does mean getting your head around some MIDI basics though - note numbers and messages, channels and ports in particular. Otherwise you're mostly guessing and hoping to hit on something that works by chance.

And you may find the same sort of problem with a commercially built MIDI kit or controller, but at least they are usually fairly well documented.
2017/05/12 15:10:40
Agentcalm
thanks TL      Definitely something worth looking at. As you say..I should read up on MIDI first to get a handle on the terms etc.    To be honest, I never used it at all and only use SD3 or the built in synths of Sonar.   This is first time I've tried to use some external device and hence the headache.  But hopefully I'm on the right road now.   
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