2015/08/21 15:26:21
craigb
That was good lunch-time viewing!  I think I'll order two so I can have stereo... 
2015/08/22 00:13:05
Moshkito
Hi,
 
Just thought of Beaver and Krause ... still have those two ... I think one LP is still here. They had the original 3 AM at the Okefanokee Swamp, I think, and one version of the opening of Thus Spake Zarathustra that was also very nice. I think it was based on that for which Kubrick decided to use the classical piece instead of the synth's ... which he made more use of in Clockwork Orange, though for my tastes it was more play, than art at that point for me.
 
Purchasing a copy of this ... though, honestly, I wish that folks like Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze and the Berlin group would also get some credit ... many of them deserve some credit, but in all honesty they all DID go after something else in music other than Klaus Schulze, who went totally to another galaxy somewhere.
2015/08/22 00:23:32
craigb
Edgar stopped caring a few months ago. 
2015/08/22 11:22:32
Moshkito
Hi,
 
I think that the most important part of the story of synthesizer, is that the easy way/path was taken to make it sound like everything else we knew. And today, a synthesizer is a threat to replace a band, or orchestra!
 
I enjoy, and prefer, what they call "analog", which is another word for the fact that someone actually created the sounds and effects for the music they were playing. The keyboard work in many of those early bands, and even Keith, specially in his earlier days, the synthesizer was a different instrument, not a replacement for anything we knew, and that is one of the most spectacular things that was done. Listening to it, made sense to me, as "another instrument".
 
Some of the experimentations, and the 70's had them by the thousands in Europe, most of them (TODAY!) sound like it was mostly the turning of a knob and fader, but the sentence, or the piece of music had a feeling that was new, and that was fun to listen to! Today, it's difficult to find a band that has keyboards that even try to use them as anything but another instrument in the orchestra! We don't think of Keith, just turning a knob at all ... very different than Neu or Kraftwerk, or Cluster for example.
 
The sound will last and be used ... but I'm not sure the orchestra replacements will make it ... because if they did they would already be used, and no one across any of the ponds is playing Edgar Froese, Klaus Schulze, Ryuichi Sakamoto, and so many others that deserve the credit and have never really gotten it! Robert Moog, was not a composer, but his sensibility to help create something that DID end up making music, deserves some massive credit, although he was not the only one across the universe doing it.
2015/08/22 12:23:28
jamesg1213
bitflipper
Tomita's catalog is impressive. My favorites are his cover of Holst's The Planets and Kosmos, a potpourri of miscellaneous odds and ends. Pictures at an Exhibition shows some of his most inventive interpretations, and is especially interesting juxtaposed with the ELP version.




In the early '70's there was a DJ called Alan 'Fluff' Freeman ('Alright? Not half!') who had a great 2hr Saturday afternoon rock show. That's where I first heard all kinds of great stuff including Tomita.
 
Bizarrely (I think because of Freeman's very mannered delivery), for a long time I thought it was a band called 'I Sailed To Meet Her'
 

2015/08/22 14:35:15
drewfx1
For the Moog story in detail, there's a book:
 
http://www.amazon.com/Analog-Days-Invention-Impact-Synthesizer/dp/0674016173/
 
 
2015/08/22 16:24:42
dmbaer
bitflipper
 
This is a big part of what makes Tomita's Snowflakes are Dancing such a monumental feat. It took him 2 years and lots of splicing and bouncing. And he didn't have a technical guy on hand like Carlos did; Tomita's was the only synthesizer in all of Japan at the time, and he the only (self-taught) expert. 





Wendy Carlos had a great quote which I've lost the source of.  But it was something like Carlos's three laws.  One of which was (to paraphrase): if you're working on something and it takes three times as long as you thought it would, then you're probably doing something right.
 
I'd love to find that article, print the three laws and put them up on my wall.
2015/08/22 17:51:39
drewfx1
dmbaer
Wendy Carlos had a great quote which I've lost the source of.  But it was something like Carlos's three laws.  One of which was (to paraphrase): if you're working on something and it takes three times as long as you thought it would, then you're probably doing something right.
 
I'd love to find that article, print the three laws and put them up on my wall.




Was another one of them something like, "If a parameter can be controlled, then it must be controlled"?
 
I recall that one from somewhere.
2015/08/22 19:11:43
craigb
Was reading a little about Walter/Wendy and came upon this somewhat related interesting story:
 
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1060/whats-the-story-on-the-female-jazz-musician-who-lived-as-a-man
 
Wow.
2015/08/22 19:45:31
bayoubill
PERFECT! Thanks Dave! Now I have something to do while I can't do anything else
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