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2017/09/18 23:22:08
Cactus Music
Anderton
Just be aware that ASIO4ALL works fine on some systems and not on others...luck of the draw.





 
Ha ha ,, just like anything to do with a computer, including Sonar :) 
 
But if your only doing midi it will work with either WASAPI or ASIO4all. The by far worst is MME which people end up using because they for unknown reasons are actually told to try it??? ya, in 1999 but not anymore. 
 
Ya Ed, we still call them sound cards even though technically that would imply a PCIe interface as in a "card" you insert in an computer orifice. I always though they were Birthday cards that when you open them they played music :)  
 
2017/09/19 02:12:35
MerlinSuderman
Thanks to all you guys (or gals) who tried to help.  Your consideration is greatly appreciated.

I still have a lot to learn, but generally if I can get pointed in the right direction, I can get going.  Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with a lot of the terms used in recording software, which has made getting help difficult for everyone.

I'm going to get the book that was recommended.  I am going to learn to use the software, and I'm going to learn to use it well.  I had given up, but then I made a commitment to do some recording.  Everyone I talked to told me to get GarageBand, but I wanted to give Sonar another shot.  I think I'm on the right track now.
2017/09/19 03:33:09
Markubl2
MerlinSuderman
 
I still find the software incredibly difficult to learn and work with.  I've supported computer systems for over 20 years and I've written documentation for a company with $500 million in annual software sales.  In dealing with Sonar I've run into a lot of "Just do XXX" and I don't have the slightest clue what "XXX" is or how to do it.



This is my challenge exactly.  I've no experience with recording or DAWS, but can work around computers with the best of them.  This forum has by far been the best resource for me.  I started at level 0 right at a year ago, and I have learned a ton since.  I've started several threads here on issues, and without fail the good folks here have been able to help me.   Or, at least help me through my mass Confusion. 
2017/09/19 03:34:46
Anderton
GarageBand is good for what it does, but you can go only so far before you hit a wall. Today's DAWs are like learning not just an instrument, but the music theory behind it.
 
The first company that makes a DAW with a satisfying introductory experience, but can which expand as the person learns more, will do very well. IMHO probably Ableton Live comes closest to that ideal (although to be fair, it's also true that lots of people simply cannot wrap their head around the paradigm), but all of these programs still have a long way to go - especially when they have to play nice with Windows.
2017/09/19 04:16:06
MerlinSuderman
Right now I'm not looking for a studio sound done by pros.  I'm looking for something I can share with friends.  Unfortunately, I'm a cancer survivor and that cost me my employment, so I don't have the $$ for some of the suggestions I've seen. 
 
Here's something I've done.  I can do better with editing and balancing, but I had a hardware issue and lost all the original tracks, so all I've got left is the .WAV file.  If I can get to this level with the ability to balance the tracks better, that's about all I need.


2017/09/19 05:19:50
ljb500
MerlinSuderman
Thanks to all you guys (or gals) who tried to help.  Your consideration is greatly appreciated.

I still have a lot to learn, but generally if I can get pointed in the right direction, I can get going.  Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with a lot of the terms used in recording software, which has made getting help difficult for everyone.

I'm going to get the book that was recommended.  I am going to learn to use the software, and I'm going to learn to use it well.  I had given up, but then I made a commitment to do some recording.  Everyone I talked to told me to get GarageBand, but I wanted to give Sonar another shot.  I think I'm on the right track now.


Sonar has a good workflow once you start figuring it out, starts to make more sense the more you use it but for someone new there's not much in the way of up to date tutorials to cover the basics. Imo I think cakewalk should provide more tutorials for people just a getting started like other daw makers do.
2017/09/19 07:14:42
GjB
MerlinSuderman
..The tutorials with the program seemed geared to the latest features in editing and made the assumption that any user was already familiar with basic functions.

 
I found that Groove 3 Sonar Explained is a really good video tutorial course to have, keep and refer to.
2017/09/19 09:05:38
mettelus
Based on the OP's second post, it seems the original issue was the piano MIDI part was being sent out "omni" so the keyboard was seeing those coming in and triggering drums. Isolating MIDI parts is often easiest via discrete Channels, so the inputs and outputs map correctly. TTS-1 is a good option for doing this since it will accommodate all 16 channels (just set each MIDI output channel discretely into TTS-1). When working with a hardware synth, that may be simplest so you do not need to adjust channels on the keyboard itself (let SONAR and TTS-1 do the grunt work for you).
2017/09/19 11:11:11
Wookiee
If I understand this correctly you are recording a multitimbral synth?

No one seems to have mentioned that you should send a local off to the synth so that only those MIDI messages sent by SONAR trigger the synth.  What you describe sounds to me like Local is still on.

Local off is normally a sysex message that turns of the keyboard messages to the synth sound engine ensuring only the DAW MIDI sounds the engine.

Of course I could have completely miss read this and be wrong, would not be the first or last time.
2017/09/19 14:25:29
Cactus Music
If you read my posts I didn't want to go down that rabbit hole and recommend the OP learn about soft synths first,,, then if they still want the sounds from outboard gear they can figure that more complex part out later.  There's probably no reason to use the keyboard anyways. 
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