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2017/09/01 19:21:40
hv_
Been using the x32 at foh with an s16 onstage all summer and its working great for live sound. But hit a snag trying to record inputs with the x-usb v4.11 driver and Sonar Platinum on Win10.  Maybe I'm missing something but I'm only seeing local inputs on asio but not the s16 ones.  And cannot select any outputs for recording at all.  Going to try sending the S16 inputs to some unused bus/xlr outs and physically plugging some xlr patch cables from the outs to some unused local inputs as a work around.
2017/09/01 19:48:49
Base 57
You can only use one ASIO device at a time. So unselect the local device, Close SONAR, reopen and then you should be able to choose the x32.
2017/09/01 21:11:34
Rob[at]Sound-Rehab
hv_
Been using the x32 at foh with an s16 onstage all summer and its working great for live sound. But hit a snag trying to record inputs with the x-usb v4.11 driver and Sonar Platinum on Win10.  Maybe I'm missing something but I'm only seeing local inputs on asio but not the s16 ones.  And cannot select any outputs for recording at all.  Going to try sending the S16 inputs to some unused bus/xlr outs and physically plugging some xlr patch cables from the outs to some unused local inputs as a work around.


Check the routing matrix in the x32 again. Getting S16 I/O into Sonar has always worked fine for me. It's just a matter of assigning the S16 as 2 blocks of 8 inputs to your USB card in the X32
2017/09/02 05:40:31
cparmerlee
hv_
Been using the x32 at foh with an s16 onstage all summer and its working great for live sound. But hit a snag trying to record inputs with the x-usb v4.11 driver and Sonar Platinum on Win10.  Maybe I'm missing something but I'm only seeing local inputs on asio but not the s16 ones.  And cannot select any outputs for recording at all.  Going to try sending the S16 inputs to some unused bus/xlr outs and physically plugging some xlr patch cables from the outs to some unused local inputs as a work around.



I suppose you have already checked this, but you do have to have the correct settings on the "PC Card" screen (on the X32 console).  The USB-attached device will only see what is enabled on that screen. 
And my next comment is even farther afield.  I do lots of live recording using X32 (up to 32 tracks with two S16 stage boxes, and up to 16 tracks using the XR18, which I just love).  I wouldn't dream of using a DAW for live recording, although I realize most people think that's pretty normal.  I am all about reliability and simplicity.  I track everything to Waves TracksLive and I assembled a special notebook computer that is only used for that.  It is a 2011-era Lenovo that is built like a tank. I put a SSD in it and got it to upgrade to Windows 10.  I use it for TracksLive and nothing else.  I absolutely never connect to the the 'net, so I don't have to worry about Windows updates hitting it, and I don't need an Anti-virus. 
 
That setup works perfectly every time.  I take the WAVs back to the studio and then feed them into SONAR.  I see no benefit whatsoever in farting around with a DAW on a live job, but that's probably a minority opinion.
 
I do expect we'll see higher sample rates in the next generation of product, but really, for live recording 44.1 x 24 bit is about as good as any live recording is going to sound anyway.  I'm not sure I'd go higher even if I could.  Before I got the Behringer setup, I used an Allen & Heath ICE16 recorder that could do 96 Khz on 8 channels.  I could never hear any real difference in a field recording.
2017/09/02 12:36:31
GaryMedia
 
I completely agree @cparmerlee with all of your points! 
 
The 'Card Out' tab on the 'Routing' screen is where you choose the S16 (AES50 A1-8, etc.) banks that should be seen by the computer.
 
I also use Waves Tracks Live for live recordings.  I've gone an extra step, and now use two concurrent laptops (one Lenovo, one MacBook Pro) connected via Dante to keep myself calm during live recordings. I've essentially made a decision that I'm more confident in the reliability of a single LAN switch/router box than I am in a single laptop.
 
Although I wish Behringer/Midas had offered an "interface mode" for the products that simply routed signals in and out at 96K sampling rate (no effects processing), lately everything I've done is at 48k for best/easiest compatibility with all the video work that seems to be the new normal of live events. 
2017/09/02 17:58:39
John T
Slight tangent from the main topic, but have people seen this? Card coming soon that enables 32 channel recording to SD card right on the x32. Also still has the USB out to record to a DAW for redundancy.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g43BCr-IXYM
2017/09/03 03:09:26
cparmerlee
John T
Slight tangent from the main topic, but have people seen this? Card coming soon that enables 32 channel recording to SD card right on the x32. Also still has the USB out to record to a DAW for redundancy.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g43BCr-IXYM

That would be AWESOME.  I guess I would still need a TracksLive computer for my XR18 (which has no expansion slot).  But I would be all over that for my X32 Compact.
 
I don't see anything on the Behringer website about this.  Any idea when it is coming?  It seems to require a new firmware level.
 
On edit: the most detailed information is at the Behringer Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/BEHRINGER/
In particular, there is a post on August 29 at 10:00am that has lots of comments.  Notice the video shows recordings tracked in late July and they have just gone live with the video in late August.  It looks like the hardware is 100% done and the firmware looks essentially production-ready, but it is probably part of a larger firmware release.  They say the announcement is "soon".  My guess is we will see something by the end of September. 

There is one big downer for me.  They will be supporting SD-HC only, not SD-XC, which means the max card is 32GB -- under 2 hours for 32-channel recording at 24 bits.  They do provide 2 SD-HC slots and when the first card fills, they automatically start recording on the second.  But you have to piece this back together in the DAW.  This seems like a really crappy work-around for their inability to support SD-XC cards.  You can buy good 128 GB SD-XC cards for $40 now, which would track 32 channels for 7 hours.

 
How many of us have "split personalities" about the X32 line?  In the early days, Behringer stuff was strictly cheap Chinese knockoffs, and some of their stuff was super-unreliable and noisy.  So when they came out with the X32, many of us assumed that would be way too unreliable for any serious use.  But it really is good reliability, good sound, and extraordinary value for the price.  I would take the X32 over the Soundcraft SI series any day of the week.  That Soundcraft line is complete crap and the Behringer stuff has been outstanding.  Just about all the "mid range sound companies" in my area (meaning smaller than arena-sized) use X32 now.
2017/09/03 06:40:00
Rob[at]Sound-Rehab
John T
Slight tangent from the main topic, but have people seen this? Card coming soon that enables 32 channel recording to SD card right on the x32. Also still has the USB out to record to a DAW for redundancy.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g43BCr-IXYM




i'll get one of these !!!
2017/09/03 16:24:42
John T
cparmerlee
 
I don't see anything on the Behringer website about this.  Any idea when it is coming?  It seems to require a new firmware level.
 
 


Nothing on the official site, but they posted the video on their facebook, and have been answering questions in the thread below it. New firmware is coming with it. No release date or price yet, but the other cards go for around $400-$600 depending on specs.
2017/09/03 16:31:57
eric_peterson
We are gigging with the X32 and I use SONAR to capture the performances. It works very well and the sound is excellent! I liked it enough that I bought a second X32 and S16 for the studio.
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