2015/10/27 21:27:50
SteveStrummerUK
jbow
Don't tell me you believe the food police... they change every few years. Now eggs don't raise your cholesterol. Eat what you like. You're going to die anyway one day, enjoy life! These people likely have agendas or so premise where they throw out everything that does not agree with the "premise", then they state their "facts" as if they really are facts....


 
There may well be some 'conspiracy' involving food scientists and nutritionists... who knows.
 
Then again, they might just be presenting the 'facts' according to the best evidence available, and then updating those 'facts' as new evidence is uncovered. It's sort of how science works. I'm certain that the 'best evidence' available once 'proved' the earth was flat, and that our planet was the centre of the solar system. Until some 'better' evidence came along.
 
 
jbow
 
Butter, eggs, lard, bacon..er becan, ham, RED MEAT.... are all good for you. They are lying. These things are natural foods.
 

 
Hmm. Most of those things are only edible to most modern Homo sapiens if they've been cooked, or processed. So I wouldn't class them as 'natural', in the strictest sense. As a process, cooking changes the chemistry of food to make it more digestible.
 
I've long been a proponent of the theory that mastering fire and learning to cook raw food was one of the major evolutionary drivers in early man. Most animals 'waste' large parts of their lives eating enough raw food to survive on. As cooked food is usually much more efficiently digested, our ancestors could afford to spend less time eating and more time sourcing their food.
 
This also allowed our brains to further increase in size. Brains need a lot of energy to run on, so being able to fuel them became easier as cooking developed. Bigger brains led to better ways to hunt, kill, survive, cook. Hence even bigger brains could develop, and so on.
 
And then the FSF arrived. The peak of human evolution if ever there was.
2015/10/27 22:12:28
backwoods
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2015/10/27 22:15:08
Rain
SteveStrummerUK
 
 
How do you mean Krist? I'm really interested in what you're trying to suggest.
 
Any factor that drives evolution has to be carried genetically, whether it is beneficial or not to the gene pool it exists in. And more often than not, genes that carry harmful traits are only eliminated from a species' gene pool if their expression prevents reproduction, either in some physically manner, or by proving fatal to the organism prior to its reaching sexual maturity.
 
Cancer itself isn't transferred genetically. However, the propensity for any particular organism to develop cancer can certainly be inherited and passed on. Non-genetic extraneous carcinogens obviously have a major influence on whether an animal succumbs to the disease, but their effects would only impact a specific organism during its lifetime. For the cancer to have any effect on such an organism's progeny, it would need to alter its DNA in some way.
 
 




Actually, I almost didn't dare mention the idea because I don't have any scientific training of any kind. That's why I formulated the idea as a question, and, indeed, as you pointed out, the fact that it can't be genetically transferred would make the idea null and void.
 
Though, to be honest, I was thinking of cancer as a failure in the evolution process, an early and unsuccessful attempt at adaptation. Or maybe even a draft, that's rejected.
 
I don't know. I shouldn't even be messing with those ideas - that's really not my field of competence. Hence I'm more asking than trying to submit an idea.
2015/10/27 22:38:20
kennywtelejazz
So batsbrew quit eating turkey beacon whats the big deal ? 
 
Kenny 
2015/10/27 22:39:55
BobF
Speaking of evolution. has anybody read 'Darwin's Radio'?  It's a fictional bit based on evolution concepts.  Good read if you like sci-fi-medical fiction.
 
 
2015/10/27 22:53:48
Mosvalve
Living in New Jersey causes cancer and that's a fact.
 
Next week it will be something else. I have a bridge to sell ya if you believe this nonsense.
2015/10/27 23:46:59
craigb
Mosvalve
I have a bridge to sell ya if you believe this nonsense.



Do you have a coda to go with it? 
2015/10/28 10:27:38
Moshkito
bayoubill
I had cancer. I stopped eating good food. I lost weight. I was looking good.  I was miserable. I resume eating Becan. Now I Am happy



AND ... you can play a note on a gueetar!
2015/10/28 10:30:13
Moshkito
kennywtelejazz
So batsbrew quit eating turkey beacon whats the big deal ? 
Kenny 


Probably Thanksgiving tradition ... just the memory of cooking 30 or so 36Lb turkeys (starting on Monday) has been enough for me not to bother with turkey for 40 years now ... just have no taste for it ... but I can still make 50 Gallons of Split Pea soup, 50 Gallons of Turkey Bisque, 50 Gallons of Turkey Gravy, and so much dressing that I can't stand smelling sage anymore!
2015/10/28 12:09:24
kennywtelejazz
Moshkito
kennywtelejazz
So batsbrew quit eating turkey beacon whats the big deal ? 
Kenny 


Probably Thanksgiving tradition ... just the memory of cooking 30 or so 36Lb turkeys (starting on Monday) has been enough for me not to bother with turkey for 40 years now ... just have no taste for it ... but I can still make 50 Gallons of Split Pea soup, 50 Gallons of Turkey Bisque, 50 Gallons of Turkey Gravy, and so much dressing that I can't stand smelling sage anymore!




It's too bad you don't like turkey anymore  .
Oh well, I guess I'm not coming over to your house for Thanksgiving  
 
Kenny
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