beltrom
 
... Well I normally just download the latest mp3 from http://www.progzilla.com/ (they have plenty of earlier editions to download as well, and mostly with artist lists if you want to be selective) so I haven't really given podcasts as such much thought for several years. But I think I remember a similar experience to yours, as well as having plenty of tech issues back in those days.

 
There is a side of things that really turns me off ... and the main page, of Progzilla, right now shows it ... and if you look it has a cut from Jon Anderson's album ... and it is not an original ... it's a cover of an old song.
 
That's not progressive. That's VERY regressive, and tells me that those folks have no ear for music and can not hear new things. The great thing about most folks that are into the "progressive" thing HONESTLY, is that they are not afraid to hear new things, and in most cases they love it.
 
I just find, this example of crass commercialism very untasteful. As for me, heck, I have been into Klaus, TD, and others since 1971 and AD2, Can, and Canterbury way before that, and so much progressive music going back to the days of Sgt Peppers and Satanic Majesty's Request or Days of Future Passed ... and having an understanding for its history is not one of my issues.
 
It's like saying you love jazz, and the first thing you play is "Take Five" ... love the guy, but it's not even a good representative of "jazz" and what it was and became. Even a Miles would be better, but most jazz lounge lizards have not even heard ****es Brew! They just know their scales and minors!

Moshkito
There is a side of things that really turns me off ... and the main page, of Progzilla, right now shows it ... and if you look it has a cut from Jon Anderson's album ... and it is not an original ... it's a cover of an old song.
 
That's not progressive. That's VERY regressive, and tells me that those folks have no ear for music and can not hear new things. The great thing about most folks that are into the "progressive" thing HONESTLY, is that they are not afraid to hear new things, and in most cases they love it.
 

Ok, I won't force you to listen to the podcast...
Is it ok if I still think it's progressive rock and like to listen to it?

beltrom
Ok, I won't force you to listen to the podcast...
Is it ok if I still think it's progressive rock and like to listen to it?

I'll listen to it, of course ... but that listing kinda ... throws me off. I wish I could get you to listen to things like "Space Pirate Radio" and its uncompromising state in music, and it was on for over 24 years ... the mixes, the weirdness, the music and the numbers of artists, was so insane, that you finally wanted to hear Faust, right after Peter Hammill, right by sound effects going backwards, with Eloy going forwards, and ... in other words, it made "radio" sound like radio. Nowadays, those "podcasts" are just someone's favorite three songs with ... ohh let's play this, it will make it more progressive ... and I was involved with stuff that was way beyond that ... so progressive that we were way out in the stratosphere discussing stratosfears for the xenophobic ... in a foreign language. SPR was like a "foreign movie without the subtitles" ... and the music content was so varied and everywhere that you could not peg it down as this or that!
 
Now, that makes it for music! I wish I had the permission to share it, but I don't and can't. But you can come over and get some really good listens! This makes folks not believe me ... and that's fine ... I have the tapes and 500 hours ... you don't! From 1974 through 1982. I wouldn't even consider that listing progressive! Or the one for today with Steve Hackett 3 times ... how original! The day "The Lamb Died Down on Broadway" came out, my roomie's show played the Genesis album in ITS ENTIRETY, and at the end, decided to do it again, and the station supposedly had one of its highest number of listeners from 1AM to 4AM. It took folks at the station another 2 weeks to decide which songs to play from the album ... they were waiting for a "hit song", or for KLOS or KMET to play something first! (Southern California!)

Moshkito
Or the one for today with Steve Hackett 3 times ... how original!

 
I would have thought Giraffe would be more annoying?
 
I'd love to come over but I guess you're in the US and I'm in Europe so it's a bit impractical. But I bet we'd have a lot to talk about. And yes, I'm old enough to have been a teenager for most of the seventies. And still have the (>1000) vinyls to show it, and a bunch of tapes that my bands back then recorded.

Once upon a time, "progressive rock" meant music that pushed the envelope of what constituted rock music, by abandoning traditional song structure and instrumentation, and infusing familiar forms with elements borrowed from classical, folk, world and jazz.
 
Sadly, "progressive rock" has since become a genre. Once that happens, a piece of music has to meet established criteria to qualify for inclusion. Anything that truly challenges the status quo won't qualify. The same can be said for every other genre that has a name: modern country, blues, trad jazz, folk,metal.
 
[EDIT: Cranky rant deleted. I've had my coffee now.]
  
Back to topic: Melody Maker was my favorite music magazine back in the day. I don't know if it still exists.

bitflipper
 
 
 
Back to topic: Melody Maker was my favorite music magazine back in the day. I don't know if it still exists.

I loved it too. About 15 years ago it was incorporated into it's sister/rival paper The New Musical Express (NME), which is now given away free.

beltrom, thanks for the Progzilla podcast tip. I am enjoying that right now. The host needs to gets some acoustical treatments in his room, though. It sounds like he's recording it in his bathroom.
 

bitflipper
Once upon a time, "progressive rock" meant music that pushed the envelope of what constituted rock music, by abandoning traditional song structure and instrumentation, and infusing familiar forms with elements borrowed from classical, folk, world and jazz.
 
Sadly, "progressive rock" has since become a genre. Once that happens, a piece of music has to meet established criteria to qualify for inclusion. Anything that truly challenges the status quo won't qualify. The same can be said for every other genre that has a name: modern country, blues, trad jazz, folk,metal.
 

Exactly how I see it and nowadays just accept. And looking at it that way even "Neo progressive", "nu prog" and similar names make sense.
 

bitflipper
beltrom, thanks for the Progzilla podcast tip. I am enjoying that right now. The host needs to gets some acoustical treatments in his room, though. It sounds like he's recording it in his bathroom.
 

 
Glad you enjoy it, wait until you come to one where the presenter have volume issues on the voice as well (too low). That can be really annoying...
 
 

beltrom
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I'd love to come over but I guess you're in the US and I'm in Europe so it's a bit impractical. But I bet we'd have a lot to talk about.
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The show previously mentioned (Space Pirate Radio) was ALL about imports, and in this case, all European, with lots of Japanese and many other things. Pretty much, from 1973 on, every single import of notice was played ... and it still is the most progressive of any show out there. And totally not a compromise show.
 
We never called it "progressive", mainly because that term is silly when it comes to any art, and its progressions. But since the 1990's it seems to have become a term for it, even though its very definition by many websites, is the most ridiculous musical definition for music ever!