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2013/08/30 20:15:56
jhughs
I've been away from the forum for awhile... lot going on... hope to get more time here.
Anyway, pretty much finished a project and would like some comments... especially any advice on how to get more separation of the "instruments".  (I'm a learning amateur.)
 
It's a tribute to Henry Mancini for "Baby Elephant Walk", which is the first tune I remember liking as a kid.  All parts except percussion are guitar, even the crickets & elephants at the end (a la Adrian Belew).
 
Thanks in advance.
 
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2013/08/30 22:16:44
theguitarplayer
To answer your question about separation, it is called panning, i.e. 100L-0-100R, you choose with in these ranges where each instrument should be in your piece and pan it there. Next, you will want to work on balance of each instrument so they all fit well together, not having any one instrument over bearing  others, but a well balanced sound so each instrument is heard in the mix of all the instrumentation. Then there is reverb adjustments, then compression and finally limiting and gating. It is all a process that takes a lot of time and concentration and a great deal of learning over time. Good luck and have fun.
 
Peace and Blessings, John
2013/08/31 07:04:40
Jonbouy
I had to check this to see if it was the song I thought it was.  Happy to hear that it was.
 
Great job on this version.  I wouldn't worry about separation here the original was probably mono anyway...
 
It's great with the easy access to the recording setups we have these days to be able go back into our own memories and bring them to life again with our own little twist.  I'm all for that.
 
 
2013/08/31 09:24:49
jhughs
Thanks John and Jon.  Well, I've been away so long I'm messing up on terminology.  I was thinking more about separation in terms 'balance' as John pointed out.  I'm thinking I might map out a frequency range for each instrument and put high and low shelves on either side.
 
Anyway, yes this was fun to do.  If I can take a little pride I'm particularly pleased with the way the trombone parts came out.  I only started learning how to play with a tremolo bar recently, and, after some practice, it worked well to mimic the trombone slides.
 
Oh, and Jon, much to my surprise listening to the original, it is in stereo with several instruments that sound hard-panned left or right.  Hmmm, now that you all got me thinking about it I could try that.  I'm not usually a fan of hard panning, but, as the saying goes "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds."
2013/08/31 13:16:49
Lynn
John, are you a fan of Adrien Belew?  Nobody does elephant sounds better than him, though you are on the right track (think "Elephant Talk" by King Crimson).  As far as panning goes, this seems to be well panned.  Back in the day when Mancini recorded this, stereo was still somewhat new, and mix engineers did extreme panning to show off the possibilities of stereo.  Now that many listen on headphones or in cars, extreme panning is no longer in vogue, although, in certain songs or instances, I still like it when used judiciously.  Good effort.
2013/08/31 14:15:19
Rimshot
You definitely have good stereo panning going on.  I would like to hear more drums and bass.  The lead guitars work but they are so much in front of the drums that I strain to hear the whole group.  One technique I like to use is to set your overall levels when listening at a very soft volume.  Try to mix so you can hear all the instruments.  Then bring it up to your normal volume and adjust to taste.  This technique might work well for you.
 
Rimshot
 
2013/08/31 18:38:03
jhughs
Lynn - Thanks.  I hadn't thought about the engineers at the time emphasizing stereo with hard panning.  (I love reading old album backs where they go into detail about what microphones they used, etc.  They were really proud of the Hi-Fi technology then.)
 
Jimmy - Thanks.  That feedback really helps.  I can't tell you how many times I'd bring something up because it wasn't loud enough, then decide it was too loud, and vice versa with the lead guitars.  Being a lead guitarist I probably err on the side of making the guitars louder, even though I try not too. 
 
I did a fun experiment with my family a few years ago playing them two versions of "Smells Like Teen Spirit"; one the released album version and the other the original mix by Butch Vig.  Without knowing anything about which was which, when they heard the Butch Vig version my wife said "The guy who mixed this is a drummer, right?"  She nailed it!
 
2013/08/31 19:44:15
CLEAN
Dang - that's a lot of fun to listen to - I think you did really well with this - just great.
2013/09/01 14:33:35
Wookiee
This mix comes across well here.
 
Surgical EQ can be very effective just listen for the obvious clashes and do some narrow cuts to give space.
 
Thanks for sharing.
2013/09/01 15:41:51
champchas
I enjoyed your guitar tune - all sorts of guitar sounds there
Sounds like it wasn't meant to be too serious  
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