Well I bit the bullet and installed Waves Central, it didn't uninstall all the old stuff as I thouhgt it would from what I seen in the vid's, but apparently it will do that for you if you choose the easy install /activate button, the one on the left. So I just put all my licenses to the cloud, uninstalled, removed any left folders, installed Central, pulled my licenses back, and all my plugs (updated to latest), easy as, no issues, and I feel Central is better than the old 2 woli and LM