Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]

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Vectorial sizable GUI,

don't hold your breath - if that was ever going to happen, skylight was the opportunity

You might just be surprised then. There is an ongoing project to modernize and improve the UI which will happen in phases.

i am! good news

One factor in the update this month...
Several of us had vacations at different times during the month.
That said, we busted before we knew we'd be out for a couple of weeks.
Some of us even checked up on things/did some testing while on vacation.
Also, yes, we work on short, med, long range things so not all coding has to fit in < 30 days.

I love the updates. It also stands to reason some updates have visible items, and others are more under the hood. All are good.
I've always had a rock steady install, hiccups here and there, but have spent less time "on software setting up steps" and more time using the software since CC and monthly updates started. *As a lifetime upgrades User. Yay me....
Yay team!

Good Day,
I think the monthly updates and fixes are great, and more so fixes as they are fixed (e.g., 2017.06 had 2 versions within month to quickly fix GUI issues with TV/monitor users, as reported in forum, much appreciated along with new features and great we didn't have to wait a year for this fix and related new features).
I had sometimes wondered why Sonar was constantly in need of being "fixed", thinking it was somewhat like owning an old FORD (Fix Or Repair Daily)", LOL. While Im no computer scientist or power user and have limited experience, needs and have only "demo'd other DAW's, I attribute this to the challenges there must be in maintaining functionality of existing versions while keeping up with constantly evolving, standards/protocols; Windows OS's; computer technologies; audio hardware; and integrating third party software; and while also introducing new versions and features that take advantage of these new technologies; that or a conspiracy by "The Bakers" to maintain employment, LOL, .
As much as I'd like to hear "there are no fixes this month, everything's working perfectly", and/or "new features have been fully beta tested and functional under all possible scenarios, hardware technologies and user idiosyncrasies before release" I wouldn't want to hear "sorry we got nothing new, maybe next year".
 
 
In any "case", I think the case for monthly updates and fixes is the stronger one.
Cheers     

For the life of me I can not see a downside to the monthly updates for the end user.  I do understand how CW can do it but that is not our concern anyway. As a user I have the option to update when I want. There is no law that requires anyone to update as soon as an update is available. I do update but no one else has to.  
 
I think there is no legitimate case for not having monthly updates. I believe that any argument not in favor of updates is based on misinformation and misunderstanding. A non issue. The fact is CW has pulled this off and done darn well in the process. Its kind of disconcerting to see this thread knowing CW has been very successful with the new monthly model for a rather long time.
 
It has no impact on the end user in any negative way. If nothing else its something to look forward to each month.
I have noticed far less complaint postings from what it used to be when a new yearly version came out. Our trouble shooting skills have gone dormant. I believe its due to a much tighter QC and an easier way to identify trouble in the model CW has pioneered. Its a win win all around.  
 
Just my thoughts on the subject.   
  

Anderton
[To quantify, I think a lot of the newer paradigms are oriented toward composers, while programs like SONAR, Pro Tools, etc. have their roots with players.

I find that really interesting, because I've been really into composing lately. Meaning sitting at the piano with a pad of staff paper, and the more I have been doing it, the less I've liked working in SONAR at all. Though, my impression has been before working with Live that it was better for players, because it can itself be "played" like an instrument and lends itself well to improvisation and doing things on the fly while you play. Maybe I've got it all mixed up in my head.

candlesayshi

Anderton
[To quantify, I think a lot of the newer paradigms are oriented toward composers, while programs like SONAR, Pro Tools, etc. have their roots with players.

I find that really interesting, because I've been really into composing lately. Meaning sitting at the piano with a pad of staff paper, and the more I have been doing it, the less I've liked working in SONAR at all. Though, my impression has been before working with Live that it was better for players, because it can itself be "played" like an instrument and lends itself well to improvisation and doing things on the fly while you play. Maybe I've got it all mixed up in my head.

I feel Ableton Live is an anomaly. People ask why I use SONAR in the studio and Live for live performance. I feel that SONAR is a half-million recording studio disguised as software, while Ableton Live is a musical instrument disguised as software. But, the nature of the "musical instrument" is composer-oriented in the sense that Session View's native habitat is loops, which composers can use in lieu of expertise on the instruments that make up the loop.
 
To add to my comment, I feel SONAR excels at songwriting, which to me is different from traditional composition. With the latest SONAR updates, it's never been easier for me to create songs efficiently...far more so than writing on guitar or piano, which I never thought would happen when using a computer.

Anderton
To add to my comment, I feel SONAR excels at songwriting, which to me is different from traditional composition. With the latest SONAR updates, it's never been easier for me to create songs efficiently...far more so than writing on guitar or piano, which I never thought would happen when using a computer.

Seems like it's probably either another "different strokes for different folks" situation, or perhaps just a difference in how we define things to ourselves... because it doesn't come across that way for me at all. I feel that SONAR is excellent at production, but trips over itself when it comes to songwriting as there's very little about working in it that is immediate. So, writing songs in it becomes more of a hurdle race for me. Rather than the flowing state that it should be.

candlesayshi

Anderton
To add to my comment, I feel SONAR excels at songwriting, which to me is different from traditional composition. With the latest SONAR updates, it's never been easier for me to create songs efficiently...far more so than writing on guitar or piano, which I never thought would happen when using a computer.

Seems like it's probably either another "different strokes for different folks" situation, or perhaps just a difference in how we define things to ourselves... because it doesn't come across that way for me at all. I feel that SONAR is excellent at production, but trips over itself when it comes to songwriting as there's very little about working in it that is immediate. So, writing songs in it becomes more of a hurdle race for me. Rather than the flowing state that it should be.

The workshop I've done at NAMM, GearFest, and AES on "Songwriting with Computers" is based on SONAR, and being edited. It will be posted on the Harmony Central YouTube channel sometime in the next few weeks. It may include tips you find helpful. But I'm not using staff to do this, I'm writing with instruments.

Anderton

candlesayshi

Anderton
To add to my comment, I feel SONAR excels at songwriting, which to me is different from traditional composition. With the latest SONAR updates, it's never been easier for me to create songs efficiently...far more so than writing on guitar or piano, which I never thought would happen when using a computer.

Seems like it's probably either another "different strokes for different folks" situation, or perhaps just a difference in how we define things to ourselves... because it doesn't come across that way for me at all. I feel that SONAR is excellent at production, but trips over itself when it comes to songwriting as there's very little about working in it that is immediate. So, writing songs in it becomes more of a hurdle race for me. Rather than the flowing state that it should be.

The workshop I've done at NAMM, GearFest, and AES on "Songwriting with Computers" is based on SONAR, and being edited. It will be posted on the Harmony Central YouTube channel sometime in the next few weeks. It may include tips you find helpful. But I'm not using staff to do this, I'm writing with instruments.

Craig - Please post a big, bold link to it when it's ready.