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2015/09/11 15:06:37
Beepster
I am setting myself up to provide custom guitar lessons online if you need. Text and soon audio/video.
 
However, more importantly, if you ever get bummed out you can message me whenever. I consider you a friend at this point.
 
Cheers.
 
Edit: and that one riff you provided me for Kjerlighet (which you said you played yourself) was very heavy and well performed. You got chops already. Any metal band would be lucky to have you chugging out some rhythms.
2015/09/11 19:18:56
ØSkald
Thanks. I guess we all can put down our guards and realize that we all struggle. And that we are not alone. As you guys showed me the last day. Thanks guys and gals(?)
 
I’m really trying to think positive, and so my best to not fall into complaining. But I fail at that all the time. knowing that I’m not alone helps allot.
I haven’t had a real amp in years so buying one now may help me to pick up the guitar more easily. I sold my rig 11 years ago. Until now I have only played through sonar with guitar rig. It worked fine for recording but you have to open sonar. With a Project with the tone you want. And the computer is occupied with sonar. With a amp I can play more easily.
 
I gave up on live playing 11 years ago. Anxiety and stuff made it unbearable. So producing has been my call. Being behind the curtain is safe.
 
Another thing I am anxious of is my neighbors. They are newer complaining. But with this amp it may be the past. My hearing is damaged by loud guitar playing already, so hope I can manage to restrict myself from turning up full volume.
 
Beepster. I would love to get lessons. I am really embarrassed, but I have newer gotten any lessons. And all my picking and techniques are wrong. Would love to study music too. Especially classical. And learn how to implement it in modern music. Yngwie Malmsteens use of Bach and Vivaldi is cool. But going a step further and implement fugue technic in a chorus or something would be cool to master.
 
Anyways, stay Metal!
2015/09/12 09:37:45
ampfixer
I think all the Line 6 amps have a headphone jack. In quiet hours use the cans. Modelling amps are capable of huge tones at low volumes so you are going to be fine. W Rock On W
2015/09/12 11:08:17
Beepster
Technically my method isn't a traditional "classical" course. What I do is provide rigorous left hand, picking and memorisation techniques so the student can quickly identify and play all 12 keys at every position and understand/manipulate all the modes, intervals and chords each key contains. It's essentially an "instant" fretboard mapping/visualization system backed up with a good dose of physical/ear training.
 
It's kind of a fast track approach where I teach you how to play everything first based on a simple numbering and pattern system. Then as you build up speed, strength and technique the more traditional music theory terms and concepts get introduced gradually and linked to the patterns.
 
It's completely non exclusive as far as styles/genres of music but because of that can be applied to all styles and genres... including classical. Basically because all of the physical and memory/logic skills are already acquired learning to play in a specific style is just a matter of understanding how the cadences, rhythm and melodies are used/constructed in that style. That can of course be rather complicated itself depending on the style (classical is a weird one) but much easier if you aren't struggling with scales and chords as you study the style.
 
Since you play keyboard already honestly I think you'd be MUCH better off studying the way classical music is written on the keyboard then translating those concepts to the fretboard (which is rather easy if you can quickly pin down all the places on the fretboard where all the chords and scales involved can appear).
 
The piano was essentially designed for classical music. The guitar... not so much. It's also much easier to play cadences and study intervals on a piano than on a guitar so as you check out classical chord movements and things of that sort you can just plonk down your fingers on the keys and really see the separation and arrangement of notes in a linear way. On a guitar the voicings are all weird and you have much more ways to play the same thing which can add a layer of confusion/difficulty... and of course fretting the notes on a guitar is harder than playing them on a piano.
Add to that the fact there is a lot more educational material and compositions out there for classical piano than there is for guitar and it all amounts to piano being the ultimate tool for learning the overall "idea" of classical theory. Understanding it from that viewpoint first then dragging it to the guitar is really, in my opinion, likely the path of least resistance.
 
That of course is not true of all styles because a lot of modern music was written on a guitar so it makes more sense learning those styles on guitar. Metal, rock and blues would likely be good examples of styles it's better to study on a guitar.
 
Anyway... just some things for you to consider. I'll probably be getting back to work on writing my lesson stuff soon so we can talk more later if you want.
 
Chin up.
 
:-)
2015/09/12 11:17:22
Moshkito
Hi,
 
This is so strange ... it makes me feel that music is so separated from your body and heart as to not be a part of you!
 
Then, why the fudge are you even playing it? For the girls? For the ________________ (insert whatever here!)?
 
That is just totally bizarre.
 
IF music, is to you, like air is to your body, you can't quit! Plain and simple!
 
Otherwise, you're already dead ... as Aleister Crowley would say! (Diary of a Drug Fiend).
 
(Being sentimental here is not helpful. But I think that you have to really look in the mirror, if not take a vacation and go smell the flowers and see the wind hit the mountain sides, and appreciate a little about life out there! If music does not grow from there ... I'm not sure any comments in here are helpful!)
2015/09/12 14:36:00
Beepster
Moshkito
Hi,
 
This is so strange ... it makes me feel that music is so separated from your body and heart as to not be a part of you!
 
Then, why the fudge are you even playing it? For the girls? For the ________________ (insert whatever here!)?
 
That is just totally bizarre.
 
IF music, is to you, like air is to your body, you can't quit! Plain and simple!
 
Otherwise, you're already dead ... as Aleister Crowley would say! (Diary of a Drug Fiend).
 
(Being sentimental here is not helpful. But I think that you have to really look in the mirror, if not take a vacation and go smell the flowers and see the wind hit the mountain sides, and appreciate a little about life out there! If music does not grow from there ... I'm not sure any comments in here are helpful!)




If there were an "Unhelpful" button I would click it for this post.
 
2015/09/12 15:01:53
Moshkito
Beepster
If there were an "Unhelpful" button I would click it for this post.
 


Not meant to be that bad. It was meant to look at yourself and decide ... is music that far apart from you? Because if it is, no comment here will help.
 
Yours, and mine hope is that his inner connection is stronger ... and can bring him through. And it's all I'm really saying.
 
Btw, thanks for the previous comments ... but again, here is a perfect example, of how I'm mis-understood ... and all I'm saying is ... how can you quit when your connection is so strong? ... but yeah ... like we really know and care, why Jimi, Jim, Janis and so many others left us!
 
Maybe we do have a thing or two to learn!
2015/09/12 15:48:53
Beepster
Moshkito
Beepster
If there were an "Unhelpful" button I would click it for this post.
 


Not meant to be that bad. It was meant to look at yourself and decide ... is music that far apart from you? Because if it is, no comment here will help.
 
Yours, and mine hope is that his inner connection is stronger ... and can bring him through. And it's all I'm really saying.
 
Btw, thanks for the previous comments ... but again, here is a perfect example, of how I'm mis-understood ... and all I'm saying is ... how can you quit when your connection is so strong? ... but yeah ... like we really know and care, why Jimi, Jim, Janis and so many others left us!
 
Maybe we do have a thing or two to learn!




I had typed up a much longer response to your post and abandoned it.
 
The gist of it was along the lines of what you are alluding to. The greatest artists... the truly creative amongst us, are more prone to this type of self doubt and frustration.
 
Indeed it takes a truly introspective and self aware mind to get to the point of having thoughts of giving up the craft they love. Such minds are generally the most able of true creativity (as opposed to simply regurgitating what others have done before them).
 
Tortured soul syndrome. A gift and a curse.
 
I can assure you that the OP is a true artistic spirit and even if he did "quit" I doubt it would be for long because he strikes me as one who has no choice but to create.
 
What I took umbrage with in your post was it's dismissive and jaded callousness toward a fellow artist obviously in pain of some sort. Especially when he updated his sentiments stating he had shaken off the negative thoughts and intended to plod on.
 
I know there are perhaps language barrier issues on your end and I know there are perhaps language barrier issues on the OP's end so your post may have come across as glib and hurtful which is not what one wants to hear when having a crisis of identity/faith.
 
Based on other posts of yorus I've read I recognize you are a very intelligent person and likely a very talented person in the real world. You need to realize that because of those things your words can cut a little deeper even if unintentionally.
 
Anyway... I just didn't think the comments you made were productive or helpful and as someone who has supposedly been in a position of directing other artists should know that there are times to bring out the whip and times to bring out the encouragement. When someone is down and ready to give up you do not whip them.
 
Then again I have been around film/actor people and I guess there is a much more brutal element when dealing with talent (and all "underlings") for whatever reason. I never liked that hierarchy/philosophy because in the music biz there is much more emphasis on positive reinforcement to push the talent in the desired direction (as opposed to berating them).
 
In fact many times your post very much exude that "filmstage" vibe and it can come across as very abrasive to music industry types. You may not even be aware of how odd and out of place that can be on a site filled with musicians.
 
Knowaddimean?
 
Jarsve is a good cat though and definitely the real deal. I've been working with him for a while now so I'm probably being overprotective but that's how I get with my buds.
 
Peace.
2015/09/12 16:19:07
Moshkito
Beepster
...
Knowaddimean?
 
Jarsve is a good cat though and definitely the real deal. I've been working with him for a while now so I'm probably being overprotective but that's how I get with my buds.
 
Peace.



Hi,
This is tough ... and I have been through it. But, do you know what helped me the most? Was not a girl, was not a keyboard, was not a computer ... it was a set of words in a movie, and a set of words by a "psychic" friend I had at the time. He was the real deal, not some imaginary crap. And in the end, this is why some movies (and lines) are not Hollywood crap imagery for me ... they are real and important!
 
You hold to the things dearest to you ... for protection and learning at that moment, right?
 
The movie, and I won't mention it, because it is a very "brutal" film in many ways, ends with Harvey keitel saying something like ... "sometimes you have to drop your pride to love a woman" ... and the other man, disappears from the shot ... it was perfect, because it was like saying you conjured it all up ... and to this day, that image is the only one that I do not want to make me feel like I did not try, or say, or let the chance to be true to myself, and above all honest, pass me by.
 
The other, was the "psychic" friend of mine that said something that has always been important for me ... "if he wants to take care of that, he will, won't he? ... which I did not like, and it took me almost 10 years to come to grips with it, but is a very hard, sometimes harsh ... and yet, the sweetest truth of all.
 
I don't know why stuff like that is so valuable to me ... but it is, and it has always been my own shining light and learning ... and they have never failed me. Now you know why a "bible" or "this" or "that" do not have any meaning for me ... because I have my own link to the meanings of my life. Not necessarily others, but sharing my experience, is weird ... that I scare the living poop out of others, when I am the quietest kitty kat and tiger, you ever met! I do growl big, but so did Tony the tiger!
2015/09/15 04:27:09
ØSkald
I believe that those who think that they make music just for themselves are fooling themselves. Because you always make music for others to listen to. Sometimes it’s really obvious like Beethoven’s piano pieces. All were written too girls. The best thing is to be honest about it. You don’t have to be a POP artist to do so ether. Like J. S. Bach who wrote music for his students most of the time, but never got any popularity in his days because it wasn’t modern enough. So in a way you always make music to please others in some way. If it’s just for a smile from your loved ones or a big music company, the story is the same.
 
It is also common that artist is destructive and have physiological problems because the nature of bipolar is that in times you are really down. And the other times you are really up there. Like being on speed. And then you are the most productive. You have no walls for creativity. Everything flows. And you have to balance the meds so that you don’t go too crazy, but gets the creativity. There are many study’s that shows a great link between bipolar and artistry.
 
Moshkito there is also movie stars that has bipolar. Like Catherine Zeta-Jones. In April 2011, Zeta-Jones sought treatment for bipolar II disorder, checking herself into Silver Hill Hospital in New Canaan, Connecticut.[173][174] Zeta-Jones checked into a health care facility again in April 2013 for further treatment related to her bipolar disorder.[175]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Zeta-Jones
 
That being said. There isn’t a guaranty of success if your bipolar in any ways. Most people newer gets productive and even take their lives. Me, by the way, struggle with that thought, but I’m way on the safe side. My life is pretty safe now. I had to quit music 11 years ago because of illness. And I am just getting into it again now.
 
Another thing to consider. If someone is depressed. Don’t say they just have to buckle up. That makes it worse. Like putting even more bad self-esteem and load on the shoulders that carry too much already. So please don’t do that. Just try to be nice and patient.
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