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What amazes me is how negative and hateful and overtly racist and mysogynistic so many posts are. Here's one of my favorites from another DAW forum:
 
"Since women make up half the human race, and are potentially a huge market, should we try to recruit them by offering them a simpler product?"
 
That's not even the most mysogynistic post over there -- not by a long stretch. That one (I think) was just ignorant. I think the "It's only the Internet" argument is a very weak one at this point. It might have made sense 10 or 15 years ago, but "Internet bullying" is now a real thing with real consequences.  I'm concerned that this so-called anonymity brings out the worst in people. I don't think I've led a particularly sheltered life, but I had no idea how many really awful people there are out there -- or maybe they're just the most vocal. If true, that raises the question why.
 
-Susan

Any woman who aspires to be the equal of man, lacks ambition. 

Susan G
...   I'm concerned that this so-called anonymity brings out the worst in people. I don't think I've led a particularly sheltered life, but I had no idea how many really awful people there are out there -- or maybe they're just the most vocal. If true, that raises the question why.
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There is no "anonymity" on the internet, and that is the worst and stupidest fantasy for anyone to think and believe.
 
These folks are on the way to shooting themselves in the foot, and what you want to do in these situations is give them a mirror, so they can take a really good look, and then go find out how much make-up they need to hide themselves, and not be found out ... guess what ... it won't work. They are not good actors at all, to fool anyone out there, and admins are not that stupid.
 
I would "report" that post to the admins. While not saying it directly, it says it indirectly and you have a right to feel touched by it, as it is indeed shameful and ridiculous ... but it tells you how much admins ignore in these forums ... but then ... Cakewalk, is not exactly helping ... how many women are shown in their list of this and that, and how much credit and thank you are they giving women around here?
 
NONE!
 
I imagine that the Coffee House, is probably the one place where you can, at least, enjoy yourself and appreciate comments.

Terrible things people say in these forums...
"Please also note there is no talent button, perception button, or endless wealth features included with Sonar* *Not included with Hover car.".
 
This terrible attack I wrote was in direct response to a criticism directly thrown at Cakewalk (uncalled for in my view).
 
I got sworn at publicly and was called a stalker/troller. A host ignored it and publicly wrote nothing but apologies to that person. I got a PM from another host telling me they had received a complaint and what I presume (although it was unclear) not to write stuff like this. Really sends the right message!!!
 
In advance I apologise to everybody for the terrible things I write (Inc this post!). Names have been withheld to protect the innocent.

craigb
Any woman who aspires to be the equal of man, lacks ambition.

 
I, personally, do not find this funny at all. Or even cute.
 
Considering how many art shows my own sister has done all over Europe, she still gets grossly discriminated against in America, because she is a woman, and has all these awards and shows to show for it, but no "degree" to show her capability or ability. Like 40 years worth of works is not good enough of a story and view, and in the case of one situation here in America, they did not select her, and went for a "local" that was a 2nd rate talent, and whose work was ... poor, at best ... and while I would stand up for my sister, I do think that a little respect for the "art" itself, would be more important ... it wasn't.
 
In many ways, what Susan is saying is very tough, and scary ... and it won't matter how good many of the ladies become ... we're still going to make fun of them and not appreciate them for what they do and work on. I simply found Craig's comment in very poor taste, though, I can see his point, and his desire to get a smile out of Susan, though it will probably come off backwards ... another tear, because a guy has to get the upper hand with a comment!
 
That's really sad! I may have mis-understood this whole thing, but I can relate to it ... very hard! My sister is one example. I am another ... the famous dad (the man!), and the siblings that can not possibly have any artistic value/merit at all ... they were "accidents" by the parents, I guess, and are still not appreciated by their work ... and on top of it, there is not even any inclination into appreciating any of it!
 
Sounds familiar? As opposed to making "funny" comments in lieu of real appreciation ... show your love and care, not your fake-ness!

Pedro - do you realize that Craig's quote is actually saying that women are inherently superior to men already so they should not try to "aspire" to be less than what they already are to bring themselves down to a man's level? 
 
 

Beagle
Pedro - do you realize that Craig's quote is actually saying that women are inherently superior to men already so they should not try to "aspire" to be less than what they already are to bring themselves down to a man's level?  

Sorry ... the wording suggests something else altogether. No disrespect intended, and I can see that, but in light of Susan's post, I think that it was insensitive. I am not saying Craig is wrong ... I'm just saying that for me it felt incorrect and poor in judgment.

I'm glad people are putting it out there and getting a few things off their chests  
 
Regarding women , I can tell you first hand that a man will probably never understand the depth and complexity a woman has 
 
My Mom was so ahead of her time , I am often amazed as I get older at how she carried herself and navigated through her life and all the various social issues she had to contend with …
 
My Mom Rocked …
 
I mean this with total love and respect when I say this …
 
No matter how hard I may try , I will never be half the man my Mom was 
 
God rest her soul , 
 
Kenny

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My Mom was so ahead of her time , I am often amazed as I get older at how she carried herself and navigated through her life and all the various social issues she had to contend with …
 
My Mom Rocked …
 
I mean this with total love and respect when I say this …
 
No matter how hard I may try , I will never be half the man my Mom was 
 
God rest her soul , 
 
Kenny

Kenny,
I see an opportunity for you to increase your odds of success in obtaining cute girl's phone numbers.
 
j/k - My mom was pretty awesome too.
 
 

Beagle
Pedro - do you realize that Craig's quote is actually saying that women are inherently superior to men already so they should not try to "aspire" to be less than what they already are to bring themselves down to a man's level? 
 

'Zactly.