2015/09/22 17:24:57
Rain
bitflipper
I'll challenge the old "musical tastes are carved in stone at a young age" theory. And I'll go as far as to suggest that we truly are currently at a low point in the musical landscape.
 
Most of my favorite music is stuff that came along long after my impressionable years. Yes, I still enjoy classical music and traditional jazz and 70's prog as much as I did when I was young. Even more so now, because I hear more in it that would have gone over my head back then.
 
But I also like folksy stuff that I would have dismissed when I was in my 20's. I am a late-blooming Rush fan. I enjoy (some) modern Country when it doesn't try to be formulaic. I even appreciate some of the 80's hair bands now.  I listen to a nightly radio program that features all blues, discovering that that genre has a whole lot more creativity going on than I once presumed. Ditto for Big Band and Swing.
 
My musical palette literally spans more decades than I have been alive. And most of it discovered (ior re-discoverd) during my adult years.
 
But the last 10 years have contributed very little. It all seems terribly derivative now. When Kanye West is hailed as a genius, it would seem the world's drunk some kind of mind-numbing kool-aid. 




 
Same here - though I can live with the possibility that I've become an old fart. And I too just recently "got" Rush, after decades...
 
Until relatively recently, say 8 or 10 years ago, I was constantly seeking and finding new music that I liked. I despised the idea of nostalgia, I hated tribute bands with a passion and I was adamant on the need to create instead of re-creating. 
 
That being said, I had already moved away from traditional drum-bass-guitar type of music at that point because I felt that that format had practically been exhausted. I certainly felt like I couldn't contribute anything new to it. 
 
But eventually, I've exhausted those other options as well. The talent just seemed to be diluted to a point where I could not pretend to enjoy it. 
 
Yesterday marked the 16th anniversary of one of my favorite albums ever, The Fragile by NIN. It was an occasion for me to look back and try to understand how I'd gotten to where I am musically. 
 
Retrospectively, as exciting as the early mid-90's were with the grunge movement and all, I feel like that's when rock music "died" and that it never really got out of that pit. While I appreciate that the whole movement was a reaction to the opposite excesses of the previous few years, I look back and see that, for exemple, in "commercial" rock music, that's when it became "ridiculous" to actually display any musicianship and to throw a brilliant guitar solo in the middle of a song - it's all about "texture" now. Kurt Cobain killed the idea of a traditional guitar solo. (I love Nirvana by the way).
 
I know for a fact that there are brilliant, highly educated guitar players out there underplaying, because, well, that's what music is all about these days. Of course there are exceptions, but mostly, I feel like a lot of bands are just perpetuating grunge or the music of bands such as the Deftones, Korn and all those guys. 
 
Our relation with any display of virtuosity has become so warped that one of the only way to re-integrate it into the scene is via pastiche, with bands such as Steel Panther. I guess there is a nostalgia for an era when rock was glamorous, before the likes of Pearl Jam made rock so beige and so PC. 
 
Anyway, it seems that, more or less corresponding with the iPhone age, we've finally fully embraced the idea of lowering the bar as much as possible, so much that we are now praising stupidity and not just ignoring but downright dismissing "intellectuals". I don't think such a culture is equipped to assimilate much more than a beat and some guy with the vocabulary of an 8 year old rapping over that beat.

I'm wondering how aliens would react if they'd sample our history and see how we went from Bach and Goethe to Jersey Shores and the current crop of talentless pop stars.
2015/09/22 17:40:20
igiwigi
Hi
I think I have opened up a can of worms here !!
 
It is great getting old.
Music should be happy not Coldplay!!!
 
Bring back -------Tiny Tim!!!!   "Tiptoe through the Tulips   MEGA!!
 
 
I'm In for a slating now!!!!!!!   seriously love  KLAATU underestimated band from Canada!
 
 
What are you all going to do when wave X gets here on the 28th September.
I will not be upgraded with DNA .
The Lord will probably send me back to Volkswagon to get my Emissions tested!!!!
2015/09/22 18:02:55
batsbrew
you have what is commonly referred to as 'the curmudgeon effect'
 
2015/09/22 19:58:26
sharke
I'm going to have to disagree with Bit here. It's not so much that music has gotten worse, it's that there is more music, period. The great music is still there, it's just hidden in a sea of crap. But that's always been the way - we remember the classics of yesteryear, but we conveniently forget the plastic pap that was around then too. Come on, there was some absolutely freaking awful music in the 70's and 80's. Leif Garrett anyone? Spagna? Jason Donovan? Yuck!

I don't think it really matters that the good stuff doesn't make the charts any more. Why, as a music fan, should I care if the music I listen to isn't splashed all over the media? And why should I care what the masses are listening to? They've always elevated the pap into the charts, that will never change.
2015/09/22 20:13:48
backwoods
I agree with Sharke. I think there is plenty of great stuff (actually I think there has never been more good stuff). Look at the charts from every year of the 60's. It's no better than the stuff being made today. I think even the beatles haven't aged well.
2015/09/22 20:30:18
donplee
codamedia
igiwigi
on the American side I would say Chicago are one of the greatest USA bands,with lots of clever and enjoyable brass work.

 
Have you ever heard the Canadian band "Lighthouse"? They are from the 70's and very similar to Chicago in many ways - including the horn section. If you haven't it would be "new" to you even if it isn't recently recorded. "One Fine Morning" would be a good place to start.... follow it up with "Pretty Lady" and "Sunny Days" then take it from there.
 
One Fine Morning was such a great song... thanks for mentioning it.
2015/09/22 20:37:31
Rain
sharke
I'm going to have to disagree with Bit here. It's not so much that music has gotten worse, it's that there is more music, period. The great music is still there, it's just hidden in a sea of crap. But that's always been the way - we remember the classics of yesteryear, but we conveniently forget the plastic pap that was around then too. Come on, there was some absolutely freaking awful music in the 70's and 80's. Leif Garrett anyone? Spagna? Jason Donovan? Yuck!

I don't think it really matters that the good stuff doesn't make the charts any more. Why, as a music fan, should I care if the music I listen to isn't splashed all over the media? And why should I care what the masses are listening to? They've always elevated the pap into the charts, that will never change.



Well, I think one way to see it is that we are going through a phase - a very long phase - where rock music and its cousins are painfully absent from the current mainstream of popular music.
 
There seemed to always be a balance of one movement reacting to the previous one. You had rock and prog rock and long jams, and then a few years into that people got bored and it was disco and punk and bands like Van Halen...
 
Likewise, whereas kids movies and Disney cartoons and whatnot used to be a way to expose kids to classical music and classical forms, kids are being fed the same auto-tuned junk that you hear everywhere...
 
I don't think we've forgotten bad music. I mean, I remember how some of us hated disco with a passion - and looking back, compared to what passes as music today, disco was brilliant. Likewise, I remember in the late 80s, early 90s - bands like Technotronics and Kris Cross and New Kids on the Block... But it wasn't long before Metallica and then Nirvana and Soundgarden dominated the air.
 
But ever since hip hop and the crap they call RnB became the dominating genres, no movement has come along to reverse the trend. Only artists that have been around for 20, 30, 40 years.
 
 
2015/09/22 21:58:59
yorolpal
Yup...I don't think any rational thinker would think there's a dearth of good music today as the interweb has brought us a king hell crap load of music to wade through to get to it. However, what seems to be popular...with the perennial exceptions which prove the rule...is almost beyond understanding for those of us raised on melody, harmony, thoughtful insightful lyric content and, occasional virtuosic performance.

While loops and such can indeed be groovy and delicious and while self cheering rap can occasionally point out life's tribulations for those who are self evidently oppressed they are often mere shadows of what is produced by artists who have honed their skills in playing, writing and performing their art using classical methods of musical and lyrical construction.

There is nothing wrong with taking accepted practice and adding to or modifying it. Art must grow. And if it must grow...it must change. But calling any piece of crap exuded by some dimwit art is just as wrongheaded as it has been since we crawled out of the sea.
2015/09/23 04:35:21
igiwigi
I totally agree with Mr rain!!
I suppose out of modern rock ,I would give OZRIC TENTACLES a thumbs up
Curmudgeon effect -"Is batsbrew calling me A Grumpy Old man"!!!
Ok, then I'm going outside and getting some sunshine in!!!
2015/09/23 06:52:48
craigb
Love Ozric!  (And others in the "Space Rock" style.)
 
Just thought of another that recently came out with new stuff that's great: Djam Karet.  But, really, there are quite a few out there if you go looking (or ask like you did on forums like this!).
 
Let's see if I can quickly think of some others...
 
Sigur Ros
Vanessa Daou (has newer stuff out)
Explosions in the Sky
The Flower Kings
Maybeshewill
The Album Leaf
Opeth (their latest album - much different than prior releases - very much like King Crimson)
Sasquatch
Kaare Norge (Classical)
Kyuss
The Four Horsemen
Tremonti
Plankton
Them Crooked Vultures
Elsiane (her voice is an acquired taste!)
Joe Bonamassa (if he hasn't already been mentioned)
Flying Colors
Jesse Cook (Latin, Flemenco, etc.)
Stackridge
Jolly
Mars Volta
Magenta (the Norwegian band)
 
More to follow?
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