• SONAR
  • Fade Out's Not Working!
2017/09/01 22:26:44
BassRocket
Hi me again...
When trying to control a clip's ending volume, I've used both the automation (green line) method AND the Fade Out function with the Smart Tool triangle that lets you drag the amount of clip fade out.
Problem is, the Smart Tool triangle method (which I like and use the most) is SOMETIMES not being read. The clip volume stays the same and does not decrease with the fade curve.
Also, when using both Automation and clip fades within the same track, I'm not sure if one is overruling the other?
What am I overlooking?
Thanks!
 
Oh Edit!
I'm also using Melodyne 4 on the track! It's a vocal that's been pitch altered. Does Melodyne need "fading" as well as the clip in SONAR??? Though, it seems like I've had this problem on other tracks without Melodyne as well.
 
 
2017/09/02 08:40:49
Zargg
Hi. Try to bounce the  (Melodyne) clip to it self, before editing fades. Might be worth a try.
All the best.
2017/09/02 12:35:37
chuckebaby
Ken is right.
Your problem is probably because you need to use "bounce to clips"

 
2017/09/02 12:47:45
pwalpwal
imo, sonar should either do that bounce automatically, or not allow functions that won't work unless something else is done first, or at least notify the user possibly via a "toast" msg ("apply changes first?" type thing)
2017/09/02 13:35:53
chuckebaby
pwalpwal
imo, sonar should either do that bounce automatically, or not allow functions that won't work unless something else is done first, or at least notify the user possibly via a "toast" msg ("apply changes first?" type thing)

I can understand where your coming from because some people don't want to render their edits (head scratcher to me personally), but you can apply changes (fades) before or after Region FX.
You just cant do it in the middle of a Region FX process.
2017/09/02 17:21:35
BassRocket
Hi guys...
I'm really having trouble with this.
I've been doing fine, up to this point. I don't understand what I've done to disable my ability to use fades, but it's not working.
I watched the video Chuckebaby put up, (Thanks Chuckebaby!) I selected the clip, right clicked and chose Region Effects, (Though I don't understand what kind of editing I could do in Melodyne to control fading or volume) then right clicked and chose Bounce to Clips. But nothing. My original fade curve disappeared. The Clip Title now says "Melodyne" instead of Record. So I drew a new fade curve and still the clips volume remains the same throughout, ignoring the fade cure.
 
I guess I don't understand the "rendering" process, or how and what it's used for.
Why do I need to render clips?
2017/09/02 17:28:32
BassRocket
Oh...
One thing I noticed is that my clips no longer have the wide bar at the top of the clip anymore. The titles are still there, but the ("header"?) at the top of the clips are gone. ALL of them in the song.
Does that indicate a particular state SONAR is in?
Thanks again!
 
2017/09/02 19:17:42
chuckebaby
you may have accidentally turned off the header:
 
To globally hide the clip headers, click the Track View menu, point to Display, and select Maximize Waveform Height. When this options is enabled, the waveform display spans the full height of clips.
2017/09/03 12:41:55
JohnEgan
Some good points,
chuckebaby
you may have accidentally turned off the header:

Thanks for that Chuck, I always wondered where my header went, but preferred not seeing it so never posted question,  but is there some functionality Im losing within the header by not displaying it?
 
Also to OP, Ive been noticing in recent project that fading didn't seem to be working, and ended up using volume automation instead. (Im still on 2017.06 update)
 
Regarding Melodyne region-fx, while I would normally do what I need to and then render clip, I can seeing leaving things un-rendered for some time until certain applied editing is committed to, amongst various clips and tracks.
 
To that end I would also say or ask for a Sonar feature that you could quickly check project to see if you have inadvertently left a region-fx open somewhere amongst all the tracks and small clips. 
 
Lastly, I guess this should be directed to Melodyne people but always wondered why they dont have a fade tool to apply to a selected "blob" rather than just only the full volume tool.
 
Cheers 
2017/09/03 15:02:03
Anderton
BassRocket
I selected the clip, right clicked and chose Region Effects, (Though I don't understand what kind of editing I could do in Melodyne to control fading or volume) then right clicked and chose Bounce to Clips. But nothing. My original fade curve disappeared.

 
Bouncing to a clip makes all edits permanent. IF you have a fade, the curve will go away because the clip will now incorporate the fade. If you have an FX Bin in the clip and render, the FX will become incorporated in the clip and the FX bin will go away.
 
I guess I don't understand the "rendering" process, or how and what it's used for.
Why do I need to render clips?

 
If you apply changes to a clip that aren't permanent, all those changes are stored in RAM because you need to be able to undo them, and go back to the original file. Rendering makes the changes permanent, which frees up RAM and also makes the computer not have to work as hard.
 
People who leave a lot of Melodyne clips unrendered are basically stressing out the computer more. Whether this causes problems or not depends on the project complexity, the computer speed, and amount of available memory. This is why some people work on copies with Melodyne--they can render the Melodyne clip, but always return to the original if they change their mind.
 
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