2015/08/10 22:43:47
bitflipper
...that this is yet another reason, why Americans have a hard time with foreign film!

And the reason this particular American seeks out foreign films.
 
Each country still has its own conventions, but they're all a little different from one another. What I especially look for is multi-cultural cross-pollination. When, say, China takes on an American genre such as the Western. Great stuff often ensues! It'll be just enough like a traditional Western to feel familiar, but will almost certainly take off in an unexpected direction with complex plot twists that are the hallmark of Chinese cinema. Ditto for horror films from Thailand or science fiction from Russia. I'm waiting for a Korean musical; that should be spectacular.
2015/08/11 01:39:00
Kalle Rantaaho
It takes extra effort to avoid certain kind of sterility in CGI. In Avatar the picture was so "polished to perfection" that even the faces of the actors often looked like made of vinyl.
I still think it was a shame that Gollum (+the real actor) didn't get an Oscar. It's a masterpiece.
2015/08/11 09:43:26
Moshkito
bitflipper
...that this is yet another reason, why Americans have a hard time with foreign film!

And the reason this particular American seeks out foreign films.
 
Each country still has its own conventions, but they're all a little different from one another. What I especially look for is multi-cultural cross-pollination. When, say, China takes on an American genre such as the Western. Great stuff often ensues! It'll be just enough like a traditional Western to feel familiar, but will almost certainly take off in an unexpected direction with complex plot twists that are the hallmark of Chinese cinema. Ditto for horror films from Thailand or science fiction from Russia. I'm waiting for a Korean musical; that should be spectacular.


Another example of analog/digital ... the music by Mozart survived and we still listen to it!
 
For those differences, you really want to watch Godard, and his silliness. It's fun after a while because you know after a while he does not care, and he is having his fun with critics and film "ideas". The earlier stuff is best for me (2 or 3 things/weekend/alphaville/a bout de soufflé) ... I have not seen his Mozart film (just arrived) and his King Lear is one of the weirdest things ever, not to mention the casting. I like the French making fun of Americans! It's overboard! The Italians are not good at being funny because they already are! You must see Fellini's Roma and the fashion show at the end! Bombastic!
 
Dang, now I have to load more foreign film reviews ... I only have 500 of them total, and only 1/4 of them are up. I have been redoing them, and have to upload all reviews for the IMDB.
2015/08/11 10:16:31
Beagle
Moshkito
bitflipper
...that this is yet another reason, why Americans have a hard time with foreign film!

And the reason this particular American seeks out foreign films.
 
Each country still has its own conventions, but they're all a little different from one another. What I especially look for is multi-cultural cross-pollination. When, say, China takes on an American genre such as the Western. Great stuff often ensues! It'll be just enough like a traditional Western to feel familiar, but will almost certainly take off in an unexpected direction with complex plot twists that are the hallmark of Chinese cinema. Ditto for horror films from Thailand or science fiction from Russia. I'm waiting for a Korean musical; that should be spectacular.


Another example of analog/digital ... the music by Mozart survived and we still listen to it!
 
For those differences, you really want to watch Godard, and his silliness. It's fun after a while because you know after a while he does not care, and he is having his fun with critics and film "ideas". The earlier stuff is best for me (2 or 3 things/weekend/alphaville/a bout de soufflé) ... I have not seen his Mozart film (just arrived) and his King Lear is one of the weirdest things ever, not to mention the casting. I like the French making fun of Americans! It's overboard! The Italians are not good at being funny because they already are! You must see Fellini's Roma and the fashion show at the end! Bombastic!
 
Dang, now I have to load more foreign film reviews ... I only have 500 of them total, and only 1/4 of them are up. I have been redoing them, and have to upload all reviews for the IMDB.


that might take a lot of your time away from posting in the Coffee House!!! 


2015/08/11 10:38:57
Moshkito
Hi,
 
Some more analog/digital cheap bologna! In film! (Because the discussion in music is redundant, boring.) In this case, this is how "analog" (old), has defined some things that "digital" (new) is telling us is different! It's all very literary, you know!
 
1. In film you can see a lot about the setting that Hollywood -- specially!!! -- hides. For example: You would not be able to shoot a film/play indoors. Why? The lighting in a square room and roof, was a bunch of candles, and/or a bowl of oil burning. These lights would be on a pedestal of some sort, so they do not get bumped around. These also offer some warmth, and with no heating, most of these rooms would have tapestries hanging on the walls ... which means that these are easy fire traps and now you know why Glauce died checking out a new dress from Medea ... it was not the misogynist idea that Medea had poisons and other magicks in the dress. The nativity scene would not be visible with a couple of candles, which makes the story a bit weirder to believe!
 
2. Food, for the most part, would almost always be served at room temperature, which means that some of those feasts on the huge table, would have some wilted lettuce!
 
3. Kissing. Hollywood, created the shot/crossshot/shot/crossshot/sideshot/shot/crossshot concept of the kissing mentality ... and we still don't know how to kiss, and many times lack individuality because of it. The camera switching points of view, in actuality is confusing, btw, since it would be the point of view from THREE different people, each one of the kissers and a voyeur on the side. Thus, kissing becomes a seriously stupid counter point to the story many times, and in fact, Robert Altman, used to make sure he would counterpoint these ideas on kisses, simply to show people they did not know the difference, but his "kisses" were "impersonal", one reviewer once said! So you had to have the "convention" in order to have "personal" kisses!
 
4. Inability to sit still. One of the strongest ideas in any David Lean film, or any Akira Kurosawa film, is their ability to sit the camera and just watch things go by. It actually creates a nice effect that otherwise, shows us how impatient we have become, and how unable to sit still we have become. While, for many, it may seem boring, in the end, there is a lot one can do with this, and Akira Kurosawa shows us in RAN that these valleys and distances are a war general's heaven! Well, nowadays we don't need no generals ... we use other things for that! But the point of the observatory eyes, is lost!
 
5. Generally, American films are known to simplify the story, or make it look like there is a story, simply to create a blockbuster! And this gets added to what has become known as "action", as in faster paced moments on the screen, to make it look like things take place faster and non-stop, a lot more than we know, or can possibly understand. The "action" becomes the story. Too many European films are still influenced by the ravages of war, although the 80's and 90's in the 20th century saw a lot of those films disappear. It was replaced by the revolutions at the time, and all nationalities were not exempt. So, in this case, serious history, interfered with life, so harshly, that it still lives in one form or another. America's history and influence? Ask the blacks and the Indians about it! They are still not individuals in film, but mostly stock characters!
 
6. Let's make believe. Hollywood is known for its sets. Europe is known for its history. Akira Kurosawa? In many cases, no sets at all. So Judy Garland gets the blue and pink scrim, and we think she's a star. A warrior gets a blank screen, and we don't think he is an idiot! (Kagemusha). Later, Akira used full single color to show that he could do Bertollucci better!
 
Bit ... get the film "Visions of Light" ... it is about cinematographers and it is totally amazing and insane and exciting. And you get to see film in a completely different light, and also to know how some folks think. It DEFIES, and TRASHES, completely, the idea of "analog/digital", since it won't matter ... it's the people working with the items, that matter, and what they do with it. Highly recommended film for everyone here, but it is a perspective on film, that we do NOT have on music.
 
Writing things like this, here, is something I would like to do in music, but it is much harder to express, because musicians are notoriously bad at opening up their expression. Film, is much more anarchistic, and individual in that process, than most music! They will get self-conscious and defensive when they see literary criticism of their work. Film, is much more universal, than music, in this respect.
2015/08/11 12:13:21
jamesg1213
Moshkito
 
1. In film you can see a lot about the setting that Hollywood -- specially!!! -- hides. For example: You would not be able to shoot a film/play indoors. Why? The lighting in a square room and roof, was a bunch of candles, and/or a bowl of oil burning. These lights would be on a pedestal of some sort, so they do not get bumped around. These also offer some warmth, and with no heating, most of these rooms would have tapestries hanging on the walls ...
 



 
Mosh, I've read this paragraph 3 times and still have no idea what you're talking about. What rooms?
2015/08/11 12:20:16
craigb
jamesg1213
Moshkito
 
1. In film you can see a lot about the setting that Hollywood -- specially!!! -- hides. For example: You would not be able to shoot a film/play indoors. Why? The lighting in a square room and roof, was a bunch of candles, and/or a bowl of oil burning. These lights would be on a pedestal of some sort, so they do not get bumped around. These also offer some warmth, and with no heating, most of these rooms would have tapestries hanging on the walls ...
 



 
Mosh, I've read this paragraph 3 times and still have no idea what you're talking about. What rooms?




Padded ones naturally. 
 
HTH. 
2015/08/11 12:52:16
drewfx1
jamesg1213 
Mosh, I've read this paragraph 3 times and still have no idea what you're talking about. What rooms?




I believe that he is talking about the setting a scene takes place in often being either unrealistic or missing entirely. To put it another way, the setting is a character that isn't getting the screen time it deserves.
2015/08/11 17:40:38
Beagle
jamesg1213
Moshkito
 
1. In film you can see a lot about the setting that Hollywood -- specially!!! -- hides. For example: You would not be able to shoot a film/play indoors. Why? The lighting in a square room and roof, was a bunch of candles, and/or a bowl of oil burning. These lights would be on a pedestal of some sort, so they do not get bumped around. These also offer some warmth, and with no heating, most of these rooms would have tapestries hanging on the walls ...
 



 
Mosh, I've read this paragraph 3 times and still have no idea what you're talking about. What rooms?


why would you do that to yourself????*
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
*I didn't read it once...
2015/08/11 17:42:30
MandolinPicker
In the end, it is the story that makes or breaks a film. Look at something like 12 Angry Men. Filmed in black and white, and only used two sets - the Jury Room and the adjacent bathroom. Still one of my all time favorite movies.
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