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  • Insert Plugin to All Tracks Shortcut?
2009/07/01 23:50:49
davidchristopher
In PT, you can control-click-insert a plug in or send on all tracks. Is there an equivalent shortcut in Sonar 8

IE: I have 16 audio tracks, and I want to insert a compressor on each track and assign a send on each track to the reverb bus... Aside from setting up the first plugin and control-dragging it to the next track, is there any way to control-click-insert plugin so it applies all tracks?
2009/07/02 00:21:07
John
This sounds like a job for the magical bus. Simply route all the tracks to a compressor bus.
2009/07/02 00:24:50
davidchristopher
Hi John- Thanks for the reply. I'm happy to route tracks to a bus, but that's not always what's best...

I guess this is going to turn into a feature request. ProTools has this. Has so since at least v6, and it's really handy. Mind you, I really only use it to add eq to all tracks.
2009/07/02 00:41:19
John
In Sonar each audio track has EQ built in. The idea here is to not duplicate when you don't have to. PT HD has DSP hardware Sonar is native. Its really bad practice to add FX of the same type independently to each track. It takes up unnecessary CPU. A bus is the best way to handle this sort of thing in Sonar. Now clearly there will be times when you will need to have the same FX on two different tracks because they will be set up differently. In that case one will have to accept the CPU hit on that but to do so routinely is not a good idea when you don't have to.

You can copy and paste FX as many times as you want. Even with the same settings if you like in Sonar.
2009/07/02 09:35:50
davidchristopher
Understood about the 'bad practice' but in some cases it is necessary to apply the same change to all of the tracks. IE: bus routing. Or to enable the eq. I was just wondering if it's possible.

Thanks :P

David
2009/07/02 09:55:06
DW_Mike
John, the way I see it is that adding something like a Compressor to each track and not just one to a buss, is that all tracks don't require the same settings. It might be handy to buss a compressor for maybe all drum tracks but not 3 guitar tracks, a bass track and 4 vocal tracks.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here.

EDIT: Just wanted to add that I usually use different compressors for different jobs anyway but if there's a way to lighten the load by bussing I'm all ears. Reverb, Chorus and Delay type FX I understand. Just not the Compression bussing part.

Mike
2009/07/02 10:16:41
Jonbouy
In Sonar each audio track has EQ built in. The idea here is to not duplicate when you don't have to. PT HD has DSP hardware Sonar is native. Its really bad practice to add FX of the same type independently to each track. It takes up unnecessary CPU.


Just a point on that, is that each built in track eq IS a separate instance of a Sonitus eq. As Mike say's you'll often want several track instances of the same plug to control per track setting...no bad practice at all, unless you are duplicating settings on a bunch of tracks, then of course a bus is often the best route. (not always, as something like a compressor even with the same settings will obviously effect say a kick drum on it's own differently to when it's summed with other tracks)

One reason that I'd really want to know what was 'actually' happening 'behind the scenes' in that PT option as it is either setting up several instances or (virtually) bussing the effect ....the only advantage I can see of quickly setting up a bunch of identical instances is if you going to individually tweak them all from the same starting point but seeing as you'd spend time on each individual instance anyway I can't see that ctrl dragging them one by one is much of a penalty.

The other way to acheive the same result when setting up the project is to put the likely fx candidates, sends and such in a single track and clone them then when it comes to it just enable the plugs you want....just a different way of skinning the same cat, as would setting up Track Templates with your usual suspects as far as goto fx are concerned.

These things are often synonymous between two different platforms but the implementaion is sometimes seemingly vastly different.
2009/07/02 10:32:30
MatsonMusicBox
SONAR seems to be weak generally in the "multiple apply" category ... I'd like to be able to rapidly:

1) Assign the same effects sends to a bunch of tracks at once
2) Assign the same bus assignment (output) to a bunch of tracks at once
3) Assign the same input to multiple tracks at once
4) as noted - same effects to multiple tracks at once - you can ctrl-drag which makes it pretty quick at least
5) same track icon to multiple at once

Maybe there are ways to do these things and I just don't know about them? If so - Please let me know!
2009/07/02 10:36:04
Jonbouy
ORIGINAL: MatsonMusicBox

SONAR seems to be weak generally in the "multiple apply" category ... I'd like to be able to rapidly:

1) Assign the same effects sends to a bunch of tracks at once
2) Assign the same bus assignment (output) to a bunch of tracks at once
3) Assign the same input to multiple tracks at once
4) as noted - same effects to multiple tracks at once - you can ctrl-drag which makes it pretty quick at least
5) same track icon to multiple at once

Maybe there are ways to do these things and I just don't know about them? If so - Please let me know!


1/ Clone or template track.
2/ Clone or template track
3/ Clone or template track
4/ Clone or template track
5/ Clone or template track

...

clue: I only typed that once then just changed the numbers individually...
2009/07/02 11:10:25
MatsonMusicBox

ORIGINAL: Jonbouy

ORIGINAL: MatsonMusicBox

SONAR seems to be weak generally in the "multiple apply" category ... I'd like to be able to rapidly:

1) Assign the same effects sends to a bunch of tracks at once
2) Assign the same bus assignment (output) to a bunch of tracks at once
3) Assign the same input to multiple tracks at once
4) as noted - same effects to multiple tracks at once - you can ctrl-drag which makes it pretty quick at least
5) same track icon to multiple at once

Maybe there are ways to do these things and I just don't know about them? If so - Please let me know!


1/ Clone or template track.
2/ Clone or template track
3/ Clone or template track
4/ Clone or template track
5/ Clone or template track

...

clue: I only typed that once then just changed the numbers individually...


Yep - works great IF you don't already have the tracks set up with other plug-in, settings, sends, etc. I only typed once also!
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