ORIGINAL: droddey

Radio being what it is, a corporate endeavor, I wouldn't expect to find anything other than pretty tame stuff there for the most part, as your list above pretty much proves. I don't think it says much about the popularity of any genre that doesn't fit within those corporate limits. Album sales probably is the better measure of that. Though, unfortunately, these days it's probably more like downloads (of the illegal kind) than actual sales.

I have nothing to say now, you took the word right out of my mouth, I guess though if you only want to listen to what the radio has to offer, than Joe wins, it's just too bad that everything has to have so many labels. I love when people, including myself use the word "alternative", how vague is that. Good luck with your career as a session player there Bravo.

ORIGINAL: Joe Bravo

"in Detroit there are, and have been for over 10 years, 3 full time heavy metal/hard rock stations."

And they would be?

Here's a listing of every radio station in Detroit:

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I don't see heavy metal listed in there. But wait, look, four jazz stations! Hooray for Detroit!

YES! Because a list of existing radio stations is direct correlation to exposure and play. And radio exposure in turn indicates sales, right? And then those sales must in their own way prove that there is just no studio work available for those not receiving said radio play, right?

Smoke, rear orifice, you know the deal Joe.

Currently the top radio stations in the boston market WAAF and WBCN. Both are rock format. Both currently have metal programming. Granted, one station does only one hour per night, while the other has a two hour show once a week.

Meanwhile, neither station plays any Jazz. There IS a local jazz station. It's listenership is a mere fraction of either of those top two rock stations.

C'mon Joe. You told me not to go there when I mentioned numbers. Let's hear it! Substantiate your claims. I'd love to see some soundscans, myspace hits, radio playlist from top 5 networks, or any billboard top 100 lists that in ANY way prove your statements.

ORIGINAL: ArrowHead
Sorry, did I need to reiterate that Ozzfest is the top grossing tour for many years running now?
Or at some point, does Joe actually know how to admit he's wrong.

There really is no wrong or right here, it's music. I give private guitar lessons, and have for over 20 years. And there are wrongs when it comes to technique, but there are none when it comes to creating music. I would never, in a million years, tell a student that their song is not "musically correct". Joe is right, there is nothing going on in the world besides jazz,
and I love jazz by the way.

No no no. There most definitely IS a wrong here, and Joe should really own up to it. I love jazz, and would never pit metal against jazz in a "Who's Better" battle.

However, to come out and say that if you're playing a "fad" style like metal, you'll never be able to gain employment as a session studio musician?

Bullpoopy, and I've already given more than enough examples as proof.

As off topic and tangential as this whole thing has gotten, I just can't allow for someone to make a statement like that undisputed. This kid posted a legitimate question asking for advice. To willfully misinform this kid just because Joe has some foolish issues with metal, or hip hop, or pop, is just wrong. For all we know, the kid plays metal.

besides, this will help me catch up to you guys in post count.

ORIGINAL: ArrowHead

No no no. There most definitely IS a wrong here, and Joe should really own up to it. I love jazz, and would never pit metal against jazz in a "Who's Better" battle.

However, to come out and say that if you're playing a "fad" style like metal, you'll never be able to gain employment as a session studio musician?

Bullpoopy, and I've already given more than enough examples as proof.

As off topic and tangential as this whole thing has gotten, I just can't allow for someone to make a statement like that undisputed. This kid posted a legitimate question asking for advice. To willfully misinform this kid just because Joe has some foolish issues with metal, or hip hop, or pop, is just wrong. For all we know, the kid plays metal.

We will never get it out of him, but in reality a session player needs to be schooled in all types of music doesn't he? And yes those radio stations he posted sounded like Penuts (Charlie Brown) parents, because 4 of those play metal, and 2 of them play only Hard Rock/Metal.

Did we ever get any links to tunes from the OP?

Oh yeah... speaking of metal... you can quit your job.. do the music thing... just don't end up looking like this dood...



Rock On, Rock 'n Roll Children!!!

I guess if we go by what we all hear the most of, then the most popular music of all history is probably a certain type of easy listening pop music made over the last couple of decades that dominates the Muzak world. You all know the type. We hear it every day in the grocery store and the department store and while on hold and so forth. Once in a while they slip in something a little newer as long as it's pretty tame, like Jewel or something. Probably more people hear that stuff on a given day (even if they don't actualy hear it, since it's just audio wall paper), than any other kind of music.

I used to be in a bar rock band in the early 80's (the Bad Boyz, yeh I know it was a ridiculous name.) Now I got to the grocery story and when they are in one of their more adventurous Muzak moods, I swear it's the Bad Boyz Channel half the time. Almost every song we did back then is now playing at the grocery store. John Mellencamp, Journey, that kind of stuff. Though it wasn't exactly radical music at the time even, it's kind of scary that it's become Muzak now.

ORIGINAL: Joe Bravo

ORIGINAL: OldGeezer

Oh my gawd! I missed this part.

ORIGINAL: Joe Bravo
If you ain't into jazz, you ain't happening. And that's exactly the way any exec in this industry is going to treat you.

lmao. You are, of course, just trying to flamebait right? You are joking, right? Or are we talking about the cheese industry or something?

Edit: Metallica has sold over 85 million albums in it's still thriving carreer. Maybe they had to play "the girl from Ipanema" before the industry took it seriously. Prolly not though.

And this statement has what to do with the topic at hand--getting studio session work?

About as much as what the local radio staions are playing.

Tell us the truth...Were you beaten up by a heavy metal musician back when you were in school?

just don't end up looking like this dood.

I guess that's why they used a frog in the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oADfmYQWmW8