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  • OT: Should I quit my job to focus on music? (p.13)
2007/07/31 12:50:18
fep
Several people have asked you to post some of your songs...

Please do, to get good advice it is critical to show people what you're producing now. I don't think anyone should give you advice without hearing your music.
2007/07/31 12:59:30
yep

ORIGINAL: Gamergirl
...Do you have the "Holy Diver Live," set? I have the CD and the video. It's effin awesome!

I'm writing a song that's a tribute to RJD right now... I'll tell you what inspired me, was the "Tenacious D" movie. Dude, you should watch that... if that doesn't inspire you to finish a song, I don't know what will...


The most perfect image in the history of Rock music is the centerpiece from the "Beast of Dio" compilation where he's onstage in front of a big Demon statue holding a lightsaber up in the air.

Not only is Dio totally awesome, but he's also totally earnest about what he does and never blows the joke.
2007/07/31 13:36:54
Joe Bravo
ORIGINAL: droddey

Radio being what it is, a corporate endeavor, I wouldn't expect to find anything other than pretty tame stuff there for the most part, as your list above pretty much proves.


Uh, yeah, that was kind of the point. That metal doesn't sell like it did way back when for these guys who are living in the 80's. If it did then there'd be a ton of radio stations playing it. Radio stations are simply looking to make money. If metal sold they'd be on it.
2007/07/31 13:39:37
Joe Bravo
ORIGINAL: ArrowHead

Sorry, did I need to reiterate that Ozzfest is the top grossing tour for many years running now?

Or at some point, does Joe actually know how to admit he's wrong.



You really are brain damaged from that junk. At least the handicapped are fun to watch..... Oh and one measly festival hardly proves anything. If it did then bluegrass would be the king of radio and record sales judging by the attendance for the Walnut Valley Festival every year.
2007/07/31 13:42:41
Joe Bravo
ORIGINAL: APC3

I guess though if you only want to listen to what the radio has to offer, than Joe wins, it's just too bad that everything has to have so many labels. I love when people, including myself use the word "alternative", how vague is that. Good luck with your career as a session player there Bravo.



You're the one who wanted to argue from a numbers perspective. You made a flase claam first off that Detroit had 3 or 4 stations dedicated to playing metal, and one playing jazz, when in fact the opposite is true as I have proven. And my career playing sessions is long behind me.
2007/07/31 14:06:05
Joe Bravo
ORIGINAL: ArrowHead

Because a list of existing radio stations is direct correlation to exposure and play. And radio exposure in turn indicates sales, right? And then those sales must in their own way prove that there is just no studio work available for those not receiving said radio play, right?


MOST radio stations are playing pop music (everything from Britany Spears to Kelly Clarksen). Most pop music uses session players. Most session players have a jazz background. I've already given you a long list of them. I know of not one guy who's known for playing metal that is also known as a regular studio musician. And no, a drummer is not a musician.

Currently the top radio stations in the boston market WAAF and WBCN. Both are rock format. Both currently have metal programming. Granted, one station does only one hour per night, while the other has a two hour show once a week.


Wowee!

Meanwhile, neither station plays any Jazz. There IS a local jazz station. It's listenership is a mere fraction of either of those top two rock stations.


Of course. We already went over this. Jazz is music for other musicians. Few people have the brains to understand it. Few people own a copy of The Theory of Relativity, The Universe In a Nutshell, The Discarded Image, or even The Faerie Queene, but they're still among the best books ever written and will always be used as refference books and university text books by others hundred's of years from now.

C'mon Joe. You told me not to go there when I mentioned numbers. Let's hear it! Substantiate your claims. I'd love to see some soundscans, myspace hits, radio playlist from top 5 networks, or any billboard top 100 lists that in ANY way prove your statements.


I've already proven every one of my statements while you've yet to prove a single one of yours. Show me where I EVER said jazz outsold ANY other music genre. The statement I made was that there's a jazz station in nearly every town and very few metal stations to be found anywhere. YOU'RE the one who claims there are metal stations all over creation. Let's see them.

And again, none of it matters. Numbers are meaningless. There's no math theorum that says the majority is usually correct nor incorrect. What we do know is this: very few, if any, musicians known for playing heavy metal are getting any studio work in other genres. Actually, I don't know of a single one. The field is dominated by jazz players as it well should be. A jazz player has a versitile background. The very nature of his music proves this. He must know a ton of chords in every position. That alone will get him session work. Meta uses nothing but basic major and minor chords. Nothing else works over all that distortion. Someone with a background of playing simple music is simly not going to be taken seriously by studio owners, nor record producers. It's never going to happen.

So back to the original topic . If a guy wants to have a long and healthy career in music, it would be most benefitial to have a background that shows he can do anything. Jazz is that background. It is the most complex music there has ever been. If you can play jazz, anything else will seem like child's play, and usually is.
2007/07/31 14:14:41
Randy P
poke, poke, jab, needle, poke, poke........
2007/07/31 14:16:41
Joe Bravo
What fun!
2007/07/31 15:32:39
APC3

ORIGINAL: Joe Bravo

What fun!


You guys are great!
2007/07/31 15:40:48
droddey
Uh, yeah, that was kind of the point. That metal doesn't sell like it did way back when for these guys who are living in the 80's. If it did then there'd be a ton of radio stations playing it. Radio stations are simply looking to make money. If metal sold they'd be on it.


But that's kind of demonstrably not true. Metal does sale, and it's not on the radio. And I'm sure you understand that things get played on the radio, not because they sell well, but because they bring a demographic to that station that will spend money and therefore are attractive to advertisers. The metal crowd probably isn't so hot on that front compared to, say, soccer moms or urban professionals or bling-bling wannabe gansta rappers, so no matter how well it might sell as music, that doesn't mean that it's necessarily going to be on the radio just because corporations exist to make money.
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