ORIGINAL: Joe Bravo

yodelinglesbianspeedmetal.com

Ah, right up there with alternativecrock.crap. But hey, we all gotta start somewhere. Maybe they'll improve!

Actually it's right up there with, allIcandoissoloandnotsingorunderstandnewmusicbecauseIamstuckinthe80s.com

Alternative rock came about as college radio playing stuff by young underveloped kids. Nothing wrong with that, kids need an outlet too. But to say that alternative crock has anything in common with real music that has to be studied, practiced, and theorized at a high level is simply silly. I've have yet to hear an alternative crocker play anything that any second year guitarist couldn't do.

stuckinthe80s.com

Exists.

My my, we're full of venom against the oldies today, hunh? Aw, you turning 30 or something? Man, that sucks. My condolences.

BTW, if someone wants to play alternative rock, disco, etc, that's certainly their right. However, don't expect to get many calls if yu want to do any studio work. No one will hire you to teach at a conservatory. No one will hire you as the house guitarists at the Fox, or for The Tonight Show band. No one will hire you to play any other form of music because they'll just figure that you aren't able to. Comes with the territory. There's no longevity in playing simple non-provocative music. And you'll never sharpen your skills enough to play anything difficult that a studio may need you to play. They simply won't call you.

Alright, I couldn't help myself. I googled "yodeling lesbians" and actually found out that there is an act in New Zealand consisting of of identical twin yodeling lesbians that have released a couple of cd's. Not sure about the speed/death metal, but how could you not go see that act? What a great world we live in.

Randy

I really don't want to step into this discussion regarding whether one genre is "better" (for lack of a better word) than another. I just want to say that I don't believe that the quantity of notes has any correlation with the quality of the music. Slamming one genre for lack of notes, chords or lyric simplicity is just a futile argument that can never be won. People like a genre for the way it touches them on a personal level. Also, I dont buy the argument that the type of music you record as your own, will cost you opportunities at the studio level. Rick Derringer recorded some pretty commercial albums, but still to this day has a busy session schedule playing alot of different styles. There are many others I could list here. What you love, and what you can play have no correlation. Saying that altrock guitarists are very limited due to what they record, is a blanket statement that cannot proven. Maybe your just pokin, for pokin's sake here Joe. I hope so.

Randy

I googled "yodeling lesbians" and actually found out that there is an act in New Zealand consisting of of identical twin yodeling lesbians that have released a couple of cd's.

Wow; I must be psychic. I should take out an 800 number and give advice. Who would have guessed....

Maybe your just pokin, for pokin's sake here Joe. I hope so.

Well, a little to be sure. But I do believe that there's not gonna be much for work down the road for someone who plays any extremely simple form of music, especially session work. Derringer did some exceptional studio work right from the beginning, so it wasn't just the Real McCoys or whatever. I have a Joe Vitale album from 1974 where I think he actually outplayed both the other session guitarists on it (Phil Keaggy and Joe Walsh). But really, when was the last time you saw an alternative rock guitarist even get asked to play on a session that didn't involve alternative rock music? It practially never happens. I know that if I was aduitioning players for a big theater company, that if someone came in looking for work and told me their background was playing in nothing but alternative rock bands, I probably wouldn't even bother auditioning them. To sum it up, if a person is capable of playing challenging music, they probably wouldn't be playing anything else. We all start out playing some easier blues tunes and folk songs, but once you master the easy stuff it's only natural to go on to bigger and better things. If someone hasn't moved on then I'd say that's a good indication that they are never gonna be much. Look at U2. They had very humble beginnings. They're capable of playing much more complex music now. It's still not jazz or anything, but I certainly wouldn't refer to them as an alternative rock band anymore. It's only natural to move on to better things and they did.

I thought so. We probably shouldn't discount the possibility that some of the altrock guitarist won't evolve into different players down the road. Alot of rock and rollers sure have. And other genre's too. I don't think anyone thought Vince Gill would become the musician he is now when he was playing banjo for the Pure Praire League. Or, when Flea left Julliard, I doubt the instuctors there thought he would be doing what he's doing now.

Randy

But really, when was the last time you saw an alternative rock guitarist even get asked to play on a session that didn't involve alternative rock music? It practially never happens

Maybe an exception that proves the rule , but check out the burgeoning career of Jonny Greenwood, guitarist with Radiohead (surely a band as 'alternative' as you can get, going by 'Kid A' and 'Amnesiac')

He's classically trained and now 'composer-in-residence' for the BBC...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonny_Greenwood