2015/09/17 10:29:26
Jens-Åke
I´ve been looking at jam origin to, it also looked good but the "problem" is that it costs 99 dollar + 25% TAXES.
And migic looked promising to and are free, but i can get it to work so it doesnt matter right now.
I downloaded the free trial of jam origin yester day and i got it working in less then 1 minute.
Tho i couldnt use it in lower buffer size then 320 (7.3ms) A little delay but not much.
I had to use ASIO4all to make it work, can that be the problem with migic? In cakewalk i using my soundcard.. havnt had time to try yet.
 
About the Jam origin, theres a vst in full version right so i can record my midi i play in cakewalk?
And also, is there any more settings to make it recognize my tones more then noise gate, velocity gain/tone?
I had problems getting it reading when i example play tripplets on lower E, you know like Iron maiden gallop but in bit faster bpm.. just just hitting 1 tone strings bit faster.
2015/09/17 10:54:25
Mesh
Which sound card are you using? If you don't have a dedicated soundcard, I'd recommend getting a fairly decent one to run Sonar and one that has good support for ASIO.
 
 
ASIO4all is usually used on laptops that only have onboard soundcards (i.e.Realtek). Have you tried using the WDM drivers? 
 
Yes, Midi Guitar (MG) has the full VST version and recording/tracking is excellent with it. You'll have to play around with the settings in MG and adjust them to your liking......also, there's a bit of guitar playing technique adjustment that you'll have to do to get the best results. Some synth sounds will need more technique adjustments while other sounds will be a breeze to play. Meaning, your playing technique will have to be cleaner and any sloppy playing can result in some unwanted notes.
 
Regarding Iron Maiden gallop (one of my fav. bands), are you talking about the song Running Free?  
2015/09/17 12:17:37
Jens-Åke
I have a mbox 3rd gen bought 2 years ago.
Yepp noticed i had to play as clean as i could but not let the notes ring to long cause they kind of made other tones dissipear behind them.
I havnt tryed this song yet but i could imagen same will happend as i just said, Metallica - nothing elde matters. The very intro with the open strings. After played it once other notes will dissipear behind low E ringning.


Hehe i had no particular song in mind about iron maiden, just that classical galopp rythm. Kinda same as in Running Free :)
2015/09/17 13:07:32
Mesh
I'm not familiar with Avid's products, but briefly looking at their site, it says it "works with ASIO" (as well as WDM)...... http://www.avid.com/us/products/pro-tools-plus-mbox/system-requirements
 
Have you tried the ASIO drivers that come with mbox? (they should be a whole lot better than ASIO4all). Once you get a good system/hardware performance going, then the software should work as advertised. If not, you'll be chasing all kinds of problems unnecessarily.  
 
I've had excellent experiences using ASIO with Sonar & Midi Guitar......no issues whatsoever. As I mentioned earlier, the synths you trigger with MG will respond differently (depending on the preset patch), but you can always adjust the parameters in the synth to suit your needs.
 
I think it's totally worth spending the $99 + taxes in getting this as there really isn't anything in this price range that's as good as what MG does. Like most Beta versions, Migic will likely get a lot of performance issues (software/hardware)  that may/may not get resolved in time. With MG, you won't have to go through many of these early headaches as it simply works....and works very well. :)) 
2015/09/17 13:15:48
scook
The only concern I have recommending MIDI Guitar is my lack of no experience with running it on Pre-X series SONAR and no recollection of any posts indicating success with old versions of SONAR. Just in case, if I could not test the plug-in in advance of purchase, I would make sure the stand alone version worked using LoopBe1 or LoopMIDI connecting to SONAR.
2015/09/18 10:58:41
Jens-Åke
LoopBe1 and LoopMIDI, got them downloaded but actually have no idea how they work.
I think i created a midi port in one of the programs and found it in outputs in midi track in sonar. Thats all i have done.
Is there any short easy explaination how to do? :)
2015/09/18 11:08:22
scook
Set the MIDI output in the stand alone program to one of the virtual MIDI cable inputs.
Make sure SONAR has the virtual MIDI cable selected as a MIDI input device in preferences.
After adding a synth to the project in SONAR set the Instrument or MIDI input to the virtual MIDI cable and enable input echo on the track.
2015/09/18 12:44:41
Jens-Åke
scook
Set the MIDI output in the stand alone program to one of the virtual MIDI cable inputs.
Make sure SONAR has the virtual MIDI cable selected as a MIDI input device in preferences.
After adding a synth to the project in SONAR set the Instrument or MIDI input to the virtual MIDI cable and enable input echo on the track.


Thank you for this, i actually got it to work and the notes transferred  to sonar!
The only problem i have is that when i using for example Midi Guitar, i hear the sound from that program but when trying to listen what i recorded in sonar, theres no sound.
same if i go on youtube when have a projekt open, i cant hear the sound in youtube without turning the audio engine off in sonar.
So now i can record the midi, but cant do it to any click, or hearing other tracks.. Think the soundcard is busy with one program in the time and cant do two, any idea why?
 
But if this works with the loopmidi, does that mean the vst will work or i got you wrong?
Thanks again for all answers!
2015/09/18 12:59:30
scook
You do not want to a have anything generating audio other than SONAR. Make sure SONAR is not sharing the audio driver. You also want to have the MIDI track in SONAR pointing to some synth so it can be heard, just like if you were recording using any other MIDI controller.
 
Connected the stand alone version has nothing to do with the plug-in. It is a fallback plan if you cannot get the plug-in to work. I noticed on the Jam Origin site, in the section about setting up SONAR they mention SONAR 7. If someone got it to work with SONAR 7 then it should also work in SONAR 8.
2015/09/18 13:22:05
Mesh
scook
You do not want to a have anything generating audio other than SONAR. Make sure SONAR is not sharing the audio driver.



Although I've seen a lot of people on the forums stating to avoid "sharing the audio driver", Sonar's documentation says it's ok to share when Sonar is NOT the focus of Windows.
https://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR%20X3&language=3&help=Dialogs2.053.html
 
I don't have that box "ticked", but always wondered about this.
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