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  • [SOLVED] Is there any vst-plugin or software for PAN-Normalizing?
2017/08/26 11:39:52
THambrecht
Has anybody any idea which vst-plugin can pan-normalize - or has an idea which audio-software reads w64 and can pan-normalize?
 
I have 1400 hours of digitazed DAT cassettes (recordings of a broadcaster).
The problem is, that they are either very left- or very right-heavy. So I have to normalize the left and the right channel seperate.
Usually I do this outside SONAR with Steinberg Wavelab or Adobe Audition via Batch-Process or with the Utilities-Menue inside SONAR.
The problem is that the most files (audioclips) play 5 hours and are greater than 2GB and Adobe and Steinberg break the processing over 2GB, because they cannot write wav-files > 2GB - and cannot write w64.
The second problem is that the .w64 files inside the SONAR-audiofolder are not readable (are nor compatible) by Adobe and Steinberg - so I cannot do a Batch-Process outside SONAR.
Sound Forge can read this .w64 files inside SONAR-audiofolder, but has no way to pan-normalize.
There are a lot of strange tools that do a seperate left and right-normalizing - but only for small wav-files.
   
Has anybody any idea which vst-plugin can pan-normalize - or has an idea which audio-software reads w64 and can pan-normalize?
  
The last chance where to split ALL 1400 hours stereo-clip into two seperate tracks l + r, normalize them seperate and bounce them together. I don't want to do this. That would be a hard and unnecessary work.
 
 
 
2017/08/26 12:07:19
chuckebaby
I've run in to the exact same problems my friend.
What I typically do is a split mono track / normalize each one.
Compression and Channel tools. Channel tools will allow you to manipulate some of the spatial. Compression will maintain the level.
 
It all depends how bad it really is.
 
I had a customer once who had a similar issue (The tape was so old/tape was dust).and refused to bake the tapes. they ruined one of my machines. Still hurts to talk about.
2017/08/26 12:24:52
savoy
process-audio-gain  can up to +18db on each side.
 
martin
 
 
 
2017/08/26 12:29:09
THambrecht
However the recordings should not be changed, its only for archive.
That DAT recorder was often wrong adjusted. So he records sometimes left louder than right, or right louder than left. L/R, and normalizing to -0,2dB  is the only thing we have to revise.
 
By the way: Baking tapes has never worked. We have better ways.
 
2017/08/26 12:34:41
THambrecht
savoy
process-audio-gain  can up to +18db on each side.
martin

 
process-audio-gain does not normalize w64-files.
2017/08/26 15:59:16
mettelus
If the left and right channels have identical content another option is to bounce to mono, then another back to stereo, but is manual.

I personally would prefer the batch processing so would try splitting the track into clips known to be under 2GB in size (at a simple time interval). My version of SONAR will save them all as broadcast waves, but not reassemble the files (becomes manual again). I am not sure if the reassembly (mass import of broadcast wavs to a single track) was ever added.
2017/08/26 17:40:36
Base 57
Process/Audio/Gain for the one side and then normalize is probably what savoy meant. However I think Channel Tools would be the best Sonar option.
2017/08/26 17:51:15
Brando
Never used the feature but audacity can batch normalize left and right channels separately http://manual.audacitytea...dio_tracks_or_channels
2017/08/26 17:52:30
THambrecht
 
mettelus
If the left and right channels have identical content another option is to bounce to mono, then another back to stereo, but is manual.
I personally would prefer the batch processing so would try splitting the track into clips known to be under 2GB in size (at a simple time interval). My version of SONAR will save them all as broadcast waves, but not reassemble the files (becomes manual again). I am not sure if the reassembly (mass import of broadcast wavs to a single track) was ever added.

 
That does not work. When you split 5 hours in pieces for example for 1 hour (< 2GB) than you have 5 individual clips. And each clip will need various values for panning. Maybe clip 1 needs +2,4 dB for the left channel - and clip 2 need +2,9 dB for the left channel. Bouncing them to one clip will make a step of 0,5 dB at this point. We do not want that.
I need to know which is the highest level left and the highest level right, then I can do this with "Gain" within SONAR.
This are radiobroadcasts which must be archived.
 
I hope that someone has written an vst-plugin that does pan-normalizing.
There is also a vst-plugin like "Dynamik-Normalizer" that helps normalizing endless dialogs over hours >2GB which fluctuate in volume (speaker gets quieter and louder) - without compressing.
https://github.com/lordmulder/DynamicAudioNormalizer
 
I hope that someone has written such a vst-plugin for pan-normalizing. But probably only 3 people of the world need that plugin.
 
 
2017/08/26 17:59:48
chuckebaby
Im not sure how compression/limiting does not solve this. Then using Channel tools to help bring in stereo spectrum.
Especially with something as simple as dialog. Your client wont even notice compression (with a 3db flux).
 
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