I hate having to start a thread like this Any way the short story is , I was sitting here playing a little midi guitar exercise for grins and giggles  .
 
What I wanted to do was to play 4 bars and then copy and paste the first midi clip while transposing each 4 bar segment up a diatonic step up.  Simple right  ? What that would have given me was a quick and easy way to share an exercise I enjoy playing with other guitar players in the form of a midi fie .
 
 I took my first clip , edited it in the piano roll and then copied and pasted it 7 times ...(one at a time in the time line  ) .
Then I highlighted each clip one at a time and did a  process transpose VIA the diatonic one step at a time ...
The basic math was clip 1 no transpose , clip 2 transpose one diatonic step , clip 3 transpose up one more diatonic step ...ect ect..
Here's what my track view looked like after have done all of that .

 
For the life of me I do not understand what had gone wrong , I have done this sort of thing many times while using SONAR so I went through the whole process all over again just to be sure I didn't mess up ...
 
in this picture if you look closely you will see that my first 4 bars maintained the correct note relationships . Each and every 4 bar segment that was transposed up diatonic after those first 4 bars seemed to have snapped to some sort of grid where my notes had gotten doubled or tripled in some cases

 
Here's 2 pics of what it now looks like in staff view ...
first pic is the first 4 bars

second pic is bar 5 through 13...

 
this behavior  seems to be uniform through all my edits ...( no matter what I seem to do )
I have to say this is a real Buzz Kill for me . Maybe  one of you guys can take a look at this and tell me what is going on ...
 
thank you in advance ,
 
Kenny
   
 
 

Weird one.
 
Do you know if this was a result of the copy/paste operation or the transpose?

Bristol_Jonesey
Weird one.
 
Do you know if this was a result of the copy/paste operation or the transpose?

OK , I went back and ran a little test to find out .
These images involves a new instance of my synth . I placed the original correctly edited phrase on a midi track (upper) then I copied it over ...it was the same as the original in both the piano roll and the staff view .
 
New track one copy
 

 
Piano Roll one copy non transposed
 

 
Staff View one copy non transposed
 

 
Next I went and transposed the midi clip up one diatonic step as per this approach .
 

 
Piano Roll transposed one diatonic step . Clearly we can see notes have been duplicated all wrong ..
I wonder did they snap to a scale or some other unknown value ?
sorry about not zooming out enough in this pic the first clip was fine ..+ i wanted to show how off the transpose came out .
 
 

 
Staff View one step transposed as per diatonic transposition
 

 
Clearly something is broken here Yes ? No ?
 
thanks for asking me which it was ..it appears there is a problem with the midi transpose function ..
 
all the best ,
 
Kenny
 
 

Should you uncheck "diatonic math"? I'm reaching here...
Good Luck!

Press "I" to show the inspector. Is the Snap to Scale function inadvertently enabled?

stevesweat
Should you uncheck "diatonic math"? I'm reaching here...
Good Luck!

Hi Steve , thanks for trying to help ...
In a  nutshell , No that is exactly what I want ..."diatonic math" is my friend
The cool thing about diatonic math is it is a built in way of playing midi files in a Modal Mode ...among other things.
 
In my case I wanted to take a simple scale sequence and run it through the diatonic modes ...which for some odd reason my SONAR's midi transpose is not working any more in diatonic math mode
 
I'll Tell you what ,  to truly hear how powerful diatonic math mode is , all one has to do is take a simple Bach 2 part invention midi file . Place it in SONAR and then transpose both parts as per diatonic math .Go through a few Keys.
With each successive diatonic transposition the song is played using a different Modal Tonality as a Home Base  .
All of Bach's original math and phrases are kept intact yet they are being played as per a new tonality ...
One has to hear it to believe it .....IMHO it is mind blowing
This small yet hidden feature in SONAR is not something I want to do with out ...
I use it all the time for Jazz and many new things I use to study as a fast way of  improve my guitar playing ....
 
all the best ,
 
Kenny
 
 

Hangdog Cat
Press "I" to show the inspector. Is the Snap to Scale function inadvertently enabled?

Interesting idea ..this view  ?

I'm not seeing anything engaged ...let me know if you see something ...
 
 
 
all the best,
Kenny

Yes. Your pic doesn't show the Snap to Scale text, but if you look at the top of the right hand side of the inspector, you will see the letter C. The button just to the right of that turns the Snap to Scale function on.
 
It looks to me like it's off, so that's not the cause of your problem.

PS: Your pic shows the Inspector for track 2. You should select track 3 and then see if the Snap to Scale function is on.

Hangdog Cat
Yes. Your pic doesn't show the Snap to Scale text, but if you look at the top of the right hand side of the inspector, you will see the letter C. The button just to the right of that turns the Snap to Scale function on.
 
It looks to me like it's off, so that's not the cause of your problem.

Sure thing I get what you are saying ...yeah as far as I can tell I did not engage a scale other than what I'm playing on my midi guitar ...
 

Hangdog Cat
PS: Your pic shows the Inspector for track 2. You should select track 3 and then see if the Snap to Scale function is on.

Hmm , I can't seem to get track 3 to show the inspector ...
This pic is what is showing

 
I'm using a simple synth track could that be it ? Both separate tracks have produced the same exact results ....
IIRC, I'm positive i did not set up anything as far as snapping to any scales go ...
That's not how I work.  Anyway my musical example uses a fair amount of chromatic movement .
 
thanks for helping ,
 
Kenny