Hangdog Cat
PS: Your pic shows the Inspector for track 2. You should select track 3 and then see if the Snap to Scale function is on.

I'm back , OK here we go , I had to split track 3 to get the inspector to show ....
Here's what it shows .

I can't spot any thing out of the ordinary . Can you ? 
 
Hey Hangdog Cat , thanks for helping me out
 
Kenny

Actually, you were showing the Inspector, but not the relevant portion in the right half. I don't know why this was the case.
 
Anyway, I don't see anything which would be the cause of the MIDI problem. 
 
I'm not so sure I was of any help, but it was worth a shot. 

Hangdog Cat
Actually, you were showing the Inspector, but not the relevant portion in the right half. I don't know why this was the case.
 
Anyway, I don't see anything which would be the cause of the MIDI problem. 
 
I'm not so sure I was of any help, but it was worth a shot. 

 
Yes , it was sure worth a shot I can't seem to figure out what could be wrong here either ....
I can understand if this workflow was something I have never done before . The thing is I have been doing this workflow for well over 10 years plus in side of SONAR ..
Today for what ever reason It just ain't happening
Something is causing this transpose to diatonic math not to be work correctly ...
What that may be , I sure as Heck don't know at this point ....
 
all the best ,
 
Kenny
 

I took a closer look at this, and your first transposition was apparently TWO diatonic steps. Bar 1 starts on c; bar 5 starts of e rather than d. But I'm not sure that's a contributing factor.
 
I also read up on the diatonic math feature, and it in effect constrains all transposed note to the chosen scale. But your first 4 bars include notes which are not part of the diatonic scale, which I assume to be C. Your double and tripled notes are occurring at points where a non-diatonic note is being transposed, and I think this is not evidence of a malfunction. Sonar is trying to fit everything to the C scale, and this results in doubled and tripled notes.
 
I think Stevesweat had it right...turn off the diatonic math feature in this case. You are starting with non-diatonic MIDI, so it makes sense.
 

kennywtelejazz
...to truly hear how powerful diatonic math mode is , all one has to do is take a simple Bach 2 part invention midi file. Place it in SONAR and then transpose both parts as per diatonic math. Go through a few Keys.
With each successive diatonic transposition the song is played using a different Modal Tonality as a Home Base  .
All of Bach's original math and phrases are kept intact yet they are being played as per a new tonality ...
One has to hear it to believe it .....IMHO it is mind blowing

Mind blown just by the concept! I'll be trying it (I'm a huge fan of the two part inventions and have messed with them for about 40 years now).

Hangdog Cat
I took a closer look at this, and your first transposition was apparently TWO diatonic steps. Bar 1 starts on c; bar 5 starts of e rather than d. But I'm not sure that's a contributing factor.
 
I also read up on the diatonic math feature, and it in effect constrains all transposed note to the chosen scale. But your first 4 bars include notes which are not part of the diatonic scale, which I assume to be C. Your double and tripled notes are occurring at points where a non-diatonic note is being transposed, and I think this is not evidence of a malfunction. Sonar is trying to fit everything to the C scale, and this results in doubled and tripled notes.
 
I think Stevesweat had it right...turn off the diatonic math feature in this case. You are starting with non-diatonic MIDI, so it makes sense.
 

Sure I guess you guys may be right after all ...it may just be snapping to a scale grid on my chromatic notes when I use the diatonic transpose ...what I'm doing here is very chromatic in nature .
I get the feeling that in the past much of what I was using diatonic transpose for was not heavily chromatic in nature , so if a few notes here and there snapped to a scale grid it was not such a big deal .
 
I have to say that at this point I'm burnt trying to figure this out ...Also tried to copy and paste VIA the piano roll and transpose there and I got a real rude awakening ...
The effing smart toll is a total PITA to use when it comes to intricate edits ...very non intuitive is an understatement at this point ...
Normally I can play all my midi guitar parts in one take at a reasonable tempo and hit the piano roll for all the little glitches that may appear  ( they always do when using a midi guitar )
I'm just a little miffed that trying to come up with a simple educational scale study would involve so much BS ..
I could have played this on my guitar as audio and then slid the track VIA ARA and saved myself the past 6 hours of head banging
 
That's it for now I'm done for the moment ..whew ....
 
Kenny 
 

MurkyMark

kennywtelejazz
...to truly hear how powerful diatonic math mode is , all one has to do is take a simple Bach 2 part invention midi file. Place it in SONAR and then transpose both parts as per diatonic math. Go through a few Keys.
With each successive diatonic transposition the song is played using a different Modal Tonality as a Home Base  .
All of Bach's original math and phrases are kept intact yet they are being played as per a new tonality ...
One has to hear it to believe it .....IMHO it is mind blowing

Mind blown just by the concept! I'll be trying it (I'm a huge fan of the two part inventions and have messed with them for about 40 years now).

Yes , by all means give it a try ...IIRC, some real interesting sounds happen when you transpose his music diatonic up a 3rd , 4 th 5th ...downward transpositions also contain very nice changes .. it is certainly worth the time and effort
Anyway , much of what has been giving me problems here has very little to do with affecting Bach's music in a negative way  .
I absolutely love taking his music and doing the transpose midi as diatonic ...the parts sound amazing and what ever little chromatic blip that may happen where the note gets snapped to a scale grid  still sounds very musical to me .
Bach was a genius , I was very fortunate to have studied with a Jazz / Studio Guitar Player named Barry Galbraith . Barry not only wrote a book of Bach's 2 part inventions transcribed as guitar duets in friendly keys for guitar players he also had a guitar quartet comprised of 4 of his best students . The quartet  played many of Bach's fugues and many other composers highly complex multi part music ...Vivaldi was another composer there were charts for ....Barry would play Bass so there was really 5 of us
Anyway I was very fortunate to have been one of the 4 guitarists in his guitar quartet and I still love Bach to this day   even though I lost  my reading and playing chops from back then 
 
have a good one all the best ,
 
Kenny

Can you recommend a website where one can download reasonably accurate MIDI of composers such as Bach and Vivaldi?
 
Thanks.

Hangdog Cat
Can you recommend a website where one can download reasonably accurate MIDI of composers such as Bach and Vivaldi?
 
Thanks.

That's a real tough one now a days only because all the really good sites with the best classical midi files wound up going subscription years ago ...
Places like this for example may let you nab a few here and there ....I was able to grab a few just now under midi.
http://kunstderfuge.com/bach.htm
 
I also had all the charts from Barry's Music and transcriptions ...I couldn't take them with me when I made the move to the West Coast . When I went to see if I could pay to have them shipped out to me " Numb Nut's For Brains " my old room mate from NYC had already gotten rid of them ....
 
Kenny

Hangdog Cat ,
 
try here also for the midis.
 
http://kunstderfuge.com/bach/harpsi.htm#Inventions
 
Kenny